What ECl would you make this Race...Help appreciated

[Uriel]

Hey all,

I'm looking to hash out a few things for some homebrew races, and I'm sure that there are so devious and competant Rules lawyers and Numbers Crunchers that would be able to help.

First, the Hratha, a Minotaur race

STR +8
DEX -2
CON +4
INT -2
WIS -4
CHA +4

+4 to Jump,
+2 to Spot
+2 Listen
+4 to Survival

+3 Base Attack
+4d8 Hit Dice
Large
+4 Natural Armor
Horns provide a Gore attack 2D4+Str
Bonus Feat : Scent
Bonus Feat: Enhanced Bullrush
Favored Class: Barbarian

I am going to go over them all (The ECL ones, anyways) and redesign a bit, but any suggestions as to an ECL?

-Uriel

 

[Uriel]

Bueller...Bueller?

 

[JDowling]

Edited out for being totally wrong.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Hratha: +5 (+8 two-handed) damage, +3 AC
Human Ftr6: +10 hp, +4 feats

The attack bonus is the same between the two, before feats. It looks like ECL 6-7 is the right amount (that is, LA +2 or +3).

 

[Sir Whiskers]

Hratha: +5 (+8 two-handed) damage, +3 AC
Human Ftr6: +10 hp, +4 feats

The attack bonus is the same between the two, before feats. It looks like ECL 6-7 is the right amount (that is, LA +2 or +3).

This is definitely at least +3:

Unbalanced stats, heavily weighted to combat (+1)
+4 natural armor (+1)
Large, with reach (+1)
Misc skill bonuses, bonus feats, gore attack.
Add all this together and you get a significant bonus to a front-line character.

BTW, are the skill bonuses and bonus feats in addition to what the race gains from its racial HD? Is the +3 BAB from racial HD? I'm assuming they come from the racial HD - if not, then the LA needs to go even higher.

 

[Knight-of-Roses]

But compare to the half-ogre, which has similar bonuses, natural armor and reach. At +3 that is the same as a half-dragon and I do not think it is that good.

I think I would put it at a LA +2 and +4 for the HD for a total of +6.

 

[JDowling]

after gaining a better grasp of the LA/ECL mechanic I'd go with +6ish as well. please disregard my previous ignorance laced post

 

[CRGreathouse]

This is definitely at least +3:

Unbalanced stats, heavily weighted to combat (+1)
+4 natural armor (+1)
Large, with reach (+1)
Misc skill bonuses, bonus feats, gore attack.
Add all this together and you get a significant bonus to a front-line character.

BTW, are the skill bonuses and bonus feats in addition to what the race gains from its racial HD? Is the +3 BAB from racial HD? I'm assuming they come from the racial HD - if not, then the LA needs to go even higher.

I don't support rating ECL by addition of factors (a la Savage species), but you're probably right -- ECL 7 looks good. I'd be happier with my comparison if I included a level 7 fighter and a level 7 barbarian as well.

I assumed, of course, that the BAB and skills were from the racial HD. I assumed the bonus feats were, well, bonus -- if not, the human has 6 more feats instead of 4.

 

[Spatzimaus]

I prefer the Soldarin method of quick-n-dirty ECLs:

4 hit dice: +2.0 (looks like Humanoid or Giant HD, if it's a d8 with 3/4 BAB. If you want it to be Monstrous Humanoid, it'd be +2.4. but you'd get an extra BAB.)
Large: +1.0
AC +4: +0.8
Physical stats (+10): +1.0, although you're awfully close to the "STR 20" threshold that'd add another 0.2.
Mental stats (net -2): -0.1
Skills (+12): +0.6
Scent: +0.2
Bonus Feat (1): +0.2? Not even sure what Enhanced Bullrush is.
Gore attack: probably +0.2

Minor Weakness (normal vision, you didn't specify low-light or darkvision): -0.2

Total: +5.7. Normally you round down, but if you fix the vision thing you're basically looking at ECL 6.

 

[Chacal]

I prefer the Soldarin method of quick-n-dirty ECLs:

Do you happen to have the link for his method ?

Chacal