What, exactly, is a 5e "scimitar"?

Composer99

Adventurer
I just picture Studded Leather as bedazzled leather that is so shiny it distracts the attacker, thus granting the addition +1 AC
Leather with flair you might say. Or...
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I just have to pretend it’s a brigandine
No! Brigandine most definitely is no light armour. In D&D brigandine probably should just use same rules as scale armour. (They're very similar anyway. Smallish pieces of metal attached together.)

Studded leather could be just renamed "reinforced leather" or something like that. Leather with some pieces of metal or cuir-bouilli attached to here and there. Not that there really needs to be any other types of light armour than 12+dex, the price difference between the worse and the better type is so small that you can upgrade pretty soon, so "crappy starter version" doesn't seem particularly necessary.

As for scimitars, I just removed them and gave both short and longswords piercing/slashing damage type (user's choice.) They can be used to represent various swords of different blade shapes and of course most swords could be used to either slash or stab. Not that it almost ever matters in D&D.
 

Eep! Talk about a serious mistake. That's what I get for being sleep-deprived.
Weeelll...it kind of fits our idea of the pacifist hippie, right? A lot of it (as I think Snarf Zagyg said elsewhere) was tied up in the 60s and 70s environmentalist movements, and even now a lot of environmentalists support veganism because it generates less carbon dioxide (it's inefficient to grow all that grain to feed the animal you then kill, plus the animals generate CO2 when they breathe and die, and methane when they fart--sounds dumb but it is apparently a serious issue). The avoidance of metal kind of fits with that--it's part of the whole 'artificial is bad' idea you see even now with those 'natural flavors'.

But I always took the D&D world to have an essentially premodern mindset--nature is red in tooth and claw. Druids live among and change into animals, and animals include predators. Most organisms have adaptations to avoid being eaten, or to eat other things themselves.

I'd argue the druid is basically taking the place of the shaman as 'spellcaster for tribal, non-urbanized peoples', which is probably why you never saw shamans really take off as a class even before the current concerns about cultural appropriation. ('Spiritualist' might be a better word, though I think it still conjures up images of 19th-century spirit mediums...who might also be an interesting character concept, but a very different one.)
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
No! Brigandine most definitely is no light armour. In D&D brigandine probably should just use same rules as scale armour. (They're very similar anyway. Smallish pieces of metal attached together.)
I conceptualize “studded leather” as brigandine because that’s almost certainly the actual armor that was visually mistaken for being some sort of studded jack, the “studs” being the rivets holding the plates to the garment. The armor weight categories have never really made a ton of sense anyway, any armor when worn properly has fairly well-distributed weight (though mail probably least so), so the real issues are flexibility and heat.
Studded leather could be just renamed "reinforced leather" or something like that. Leather with some pieces of metal or cuir-bouilli attached to here and there.
Leather armor should already be cuir-bouilli since leather that isn’t reinforced isn’t even really armor; it’s just clothing.
Not that there really needs to be any other types of light armour than 12+dex, the price difference between the worse and the better type is so small that you can upgrade pretty soon, so "crappy starter version" doesn't seem particularly necessary.
You could honestly just rename the whole armor table. Have light armor be gambesons - padded, quilted, and “reinforced” (with mail voiders). Medium armor could be chest pieces - cuir bouilli, scale, mail hauberk, brigandine, and plate cuirass. Then heavy armor could be full suits - lamellar, mail, half plate, and full plate.
As for scimitars, I just removed them and gave both short and longswords piercing/slashing damage type (user's choice.) They can be used to represent various swords of different blade shapes and of course most swords could be used to either slash or stab. Not that it almost ever matters in D&D.
Yeah, seems like a good call.
 






Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Brigandine is a fairly heavy and sturdy type of armor. Instead, I use jack of plate:

Jack of plate and brigandine are very nearly the same design. A jack is perhaps a bit less sturdy and a bit more flexible, but fundamentally they’re both textile garments with small overlapping metal plates lining the inside. The fact that the plates are riveted on instead of sewn on in the case of brigandine is what makes it resemble “studded leather.”
 

Jack of plate and brigandine are very nearly the same design. A jack is perhaps a bit less sturdy and a bit more flexible, but fundamentally they’re both textile garments with small overlapping metal plates lining the inside. The fact that the plates are riveted on instead of sewn on in the case of brigandine is what makes it resemble “studded leather.”
Yes. But the fact that it actually is a coat of metal plates, definitely makes it not a light armour!
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Yes. But the fact that it actually is a coat of metal plates, definitely makes it not a light armour!
Again, weight is kind of a silly way to categorize armor to begin with. Whether it’s “light” or not, it is exactly the armor a medieval archer or light infantryman would most likely have been equipped with.
 

Again, weight is kind of a silly way to categorize armor to begin with. Whether it’s “light” or not, it is exactly the armor a medieval archer or light infantryman would most likely have been equipped with.
And why would it be less protective than a mail shirt or a scale armour?

Studded leather is placed near the bottom of the armour chart, because it is meant to be mainly made of leather. Its rules are not suitable to represent brigandine at all. Brigandine is basically the same thing than scale, the shape and attachment method of the small metal plates just is a bit different.
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
And why would it be less protective than a mail shirt or a scale armour?
Realistically it wouldn’t, but D&D armors have never made a lick of sense. Which is why I proposed renaming the whole armor table.
Studded leather is placed near the bottom of the armour chart, because it is meant to be mainly made of leather. Its rules are not suitable to represent brigandine at all.
None of the armors are suitable for representing the things they’re named for, and several of them are named for things that neither existed historically nor would function as armor if they did exist as described.
Brigandine is basically the same thing than scale, the shape and attachment method of the small metal plates just is a bit different.
Kinda; frankly it’s much more effective armor than scale.
 

Realistically it wouldn’t, but D&D armors have never made a lick of sense.
Yes, but putting brigandine as 12+dex light armour would make it even more nonsensical.

Which is why I proposed renaming the whole armor table.
Sure. I'm all for that. But then one should actually try to improve it.

None of the armors are suitable for representing the things they’re named for, and several of them are named for things that neither existed historically nor would function as armor if they did exist as described.
Sure, kinda.

Kinda; frankly it’s much more effective armor than scale.
Yes, it is basically a higher tech-level version of the same concept. Thus it makes zero sense to make it worse than scale!
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Yes, but putting brigandine as 12+dex light armour would make it even more nonsensical.
I think having a cool studded leather jacket give you 12+dex AC makes a lot less sense.
try to improve it.
I did, if you saw my suggestion.
Yes, it is basically a higher tech-level version of the same concept. Thus it makes zero sense to make it worse than scale!
Well, I’d argue 12+Dex AC is actually better than 14+Dex (max +2) AC with disadvantage on Stealth.
 

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