What if only Wee Jas and Erythnul?

[Nyaricus]

Another few thoughts:

There's also the consideration of what types of creatures would be allied with either faction. Wee Jas, for example, would likely have a bunch of undead, and Erythnul would likely have a bunch of demons and aberrations on his side. So, a few thoughts:

Wee Jas:
o Constructs
o Undead

Erythnul:
o Aberrations
o Monstrous Humanoids
o Oozes

Neither:
o Animals
o Magical Beasts
o Plants
o Vermin

Both or Unsure:
o Dragons (forces of magic or raging killers?)
o Elementals (I could see these as being on both sides)
o Fey (unsure; perhaps fey should be left out?)
o Giants (unsure)
o Humanoids (both)
o Outsiders (both??)

Just a few thoughts

cheers,
--N

 

[Particle_Man]

Interesting, although I would have thought that the neutrality of oozes would be a given.

 

[*mon]

A very grim world, I can see a possibility for a deep invisible rebellion "THE LIGHT" seeking to expell all, undead, aberations, devine casters, outsiders, and GODS, from the prime material plane. Spell-less rangers, holy liberators, scouts, bards, harpers, and druid(shape shifters) lead by dragons, fey, titans, or geia for the triumph of the living spirit.

 

[Nyaricus]

Interesting, although I would have thought that the neutrality of oozes would be a given.

Personally, I think Oozes should likely fall under the aberration type, and besides, a god of chaos and discord LOVES his daily intake of Black Pudding

cheers,
--N

 

[Particle_Man]

A very grim world, I can see a possibility for a deep invisible rebellion "THE LIGHT" seeking to expell all, undead, aberations, devine casters, outsiders, and GODS, from the prime material plane. Spell-less rangers, holy liberators, scouts, bards, harpers, and druid(shape shifters) lead by dragons, fey, titans, or geia for the triumph of the living spirit.

Such a rebellion is possible, with the caveats that:

a) They would have no access to divine magic (with the possible exception of what a spell-thief could steal, or someone with good UMD). So no Holy Liberators, and no Druids. And if by geia you are meaning an entity that can grant divine spells (even if that entity is the Earth itself) then that doesn't exist in this world at all.

b) The Light would fail. The Gods cannot be so easily expelled. And when the members of "The Light" died, their souls, not under the protection of Wee Jas, would be tortured forever in the Abyss by Erythnul's servants. And this could be verified by those with enough magic and knowledge.

 

[Baron Opal]

Hmm. You would need Coatl --> Silver Flame progression perhaps. A servant of Wee Jas that sympathizes with the needs of the LG followers enough to lay down its life to become an impersonal but perhaps yet aware force. A number of like minded mortals might need to make that sacrifice as well. The souls of the worshippers join with the flame and thus are spared the torments of the Abyss or the ennui of undeath.

And, how could you tell that it wasn't the Stern weeding out the "weak" or the Many consuming the gullible?

 

[gribble]

I am also thinking that the Church of Wee Jas might be well aware that some of its members (a minority) are much better at healing, while others (the majority) are better at necromancy. Being a lawful church, there would likely be a place for either, and both might be respected in their fields (similar to people at a university having different majors).

This works well with the "only afterlife is the howling abyss" concept. Both sides of the clergy are capable of keeping souls in the prime material - one by healing/raising, and the other by creating undead.

It would create an interesting dichotomy where intelligent undead (i.e.: those that keep their souls in the prime-material) would be seen as "good", whereas non-intellignet undead would be seen as bad (or at best people would be ambivalent about them), given that the soul has already been consumed by the abyss and essentially you're just desecrating the corpse.

Of course, in a society where the intelligent undead are on the "good" side, even animation of souless corpses may not be seen as desecration...

 

[Baron Opal]

This works well with the "only afterlife is the howling abyss" concept. Both sides of the clergy are capable of keeping souls in the prime material - one by healing/raising, and the other by creating undead.

There could also be specific areas dedicated to the dead. An old ruin or barren valley could be a "dedicated soul repository". The spirits of the dead wander in the valley and find comfort in the ruins. As the only alternative is the Abyss, the spirits are easier to call and bind to the area. And, makes for a handy warning system if a goblin horde wanders through.