What is 'Enterprise' missing?

[Viking Bastard]

I've read that interview as well and I agree that the worst problem with
B&B is that Berman actually both likes and trusts Braga (I hear (read) that
he's quite a charismatic guy).

Braga took too much control over the series, which could've been good if this
was a less episodic show, but episodic shows like Trek flourish best under loose
chains which you a much wider range of stories (like the X-Files, another very
episodic show).

I'd remove them both, the franchise needs fresh blood on all fronts, but
I also think Braga is a much bigger problem than Berman.

 

[Mark CMG]

Blah-de-blah-de-blah-blah-blah

And the death of every decent ST thread is heralded by the usual mantra...

 

[John Crichton]

* sigh *

Oh well. It was bound to happen...

 

[Viking Bastard]

Blah-de-blah-de-blah-blah-blah

And the death of every decent ST thread is heralded by the usual mantra...

Well... this is a thread about what's wrong with ENT.

I take it that the episode threads go this way as well? Since I don't read them I can't say. (I take it you're talking about B&B bashing).

 

[Viking Bastard]

Hmmm, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the baseball caps, the other 2 things I mentioned, the dog and the submarine look and feel of the ship's interior are few of the ways they show what we are discussing. there are more, I'm sure, but I can't think of them right now.

I can see that you kinda misunderstood my post a bit(understandably) but this is
exactly what I'm talking about. They are telling us that they are closer to us,
instead of actually writing the characters like more realistic people. How they
act and talk they feel like TNG era characters, not 21st century ones, no matter
the clothes they wear.

That said, I must say that I love the inner design of the Enterprise.

 

[Darius101]

As Far as I know it was never mentioned when the first shields were made and placed on board ship.
Perhaps they will show that when the Romulan war story line starts in season 3 and 4 ?

I agree that they could use a little more 20th century grounding rather than 23rd or 24th century lingo.

just my 2cp for the day,
Darius

 

[John Crichton]

I can see that you kinda misunderstood my post a bit(understandably) but this is exactly what I'm talking about. They are telling us that they are closer to us, instead of actually writing the characters like more realistic people. How they
act and talk they feel like TNG era characters, not 21st century ones, no matter the clothes they wear.

That said, I must say that I love the inner design of the Enterprise.

Honestly, I didn't see any other way to view your post. You said you wanted to be shown because TV is a mostly visual medium. All the examples I gave were visual ones. As as far as "talking" and "feeling" like us, they aren't, so they shouldn't be expected to act like they are from our time. They are closer People did things differently even 20 years ago. And for the realism, the show is grounded in humanity. If that's what you see then there is nothing I can say or show you otherwise. If they feel like TNG characters, that should be expected somewhat as it is still Star Trek. Nothing to be done about that.

 

[John Crichton]

As Far as I know it was never mentioned when the first shields were made and placed on board ship.
Perhaps they will show that when the Romulan war story line starts in season 3 and 4 ?

Has there been any confirmation that this will happen or even be shown? It would be cool...

I agree that they could use a little more 20th century grounding rather than 23rd or 24th century lingo.

Why? The show is set in the 22nd century, if I recall...

 

[Viking Bastard]

Yes, like I said (or implied) it was a poorly worded post.

I just feel like I'm being told that the show is founded in humanity, when I just
can't see it. TOS and DS9 got it right, TNG partially (still my fav Trek), but VOY never
did and neither seems ENT.

We were told that the characters of ENT would be more like 20th century people than
their TNG counterparts when the show started, but they just don't feel like it.

I still enjoy ENT, I just feel so annoyed when I see so much potentional for
greatness unused. The same feeling I had with VOY (first three seasons at least, then
it just strayed too far off the path). Currently I rate it with shows like Frasier or ER, when
it could so easily be there up on top with shows like Buffy, Farscape, 24 and Alias.

 

[John Crichton]

Yes, like I said (or implied) it was a poorly worded post.

All good.

I just feel like I'm being told that the show is founded in humanity, when I just can't see it. TOS and DS9 got it right, TNG partially (still my fav Trek), but VOY never did and neither seems ENT.

We were told that the characters of ENT would be more like 20th century people than their TNG counterparts when the show started, but they just don't feel like it.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the ENT characters feel much closer to our era than any other previous Trek. Especially the Trip character.

I still enjoy ENT, I just feel so annoyed when I see so much potentional for greatness unused. The same feeling I had with VOY (first three seasons at least, then it just strayed too far off the path). Currently I rate it with shows like Frasier or ER, when it could so easily be there up on top with shows like Buffy, Farscape, 24 and Alias.

Trek as a franchise has been bumbling around on its hind parts for years. The movies have been average at best and VOY was poor. I almost gave up completely on them. Right until the point where they signed Bakula to play the captain. That got me interested again. I didn't really dig the premise of the show but it grew on me.

And now that we are 1.5 season in, I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised that I'm still watching Star Trek. ENT hasn't been entertaining every single week, but the show is still finding its legs as did all the other good series (except TOS). There were many piss-poor eps in the first 2 years or TNG & DS9 so it's to be expected. The final 4 seasons being the strongest (using S3 as a springboard) has been an unintentional mainstay of Trek. The way things look it seems like the same (hopefully!) will happen with ENT. I see much potential.

As for it being as good as other shows on TV, it has a ways to go. Shows like Alias and Farscape take risks and are very fast paced compared to Trek. Also, they are non-episodic and you really need to follow along week to week to enjoy it fully. ENT isn't set up that way so the overall story hurts. But as long as they to produce quality single eps (consistantly), then I'm happy.