5E What is the opposite of a Modron?

plisnithus8

Explorer
If Modrons are the embodiment of lawfulness, do creatures exist in the opposite balancing extreme of chaos?

Obviously, they would be harder to define by definition, not fitting into the structure of Mechsnus.

It seems like these should exist — if so what are they and where can they be found?

If they don’t exist, what would they be like? What would the opposite of a Modron March be? How do you describe the opposite of geometric hierarchical structure?
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
If Modrons are the embodiment of lawfulness, do creatures exist in the opposite balancing extreme of chaos?

Obviously, they would be harder to define by definition, not fitting into the structure of Mechsnus.

It seems like these should exist — if so what are they and where can they be found?
Slaad. Limbo. Apparently, the opposite of a geometric shape is .... a frog.

What would the opposite of a Modron March be?
A Slaad Salad.

How do you describe the opposite of geometric hierarchical structure?
Chaos.

Or a bunch of frogs in a blender. YMMV.
 

Aebir-Toril

Is lukewarm on the Forgotten Realms
The opposite of geometry is a frog, simple. It's all Riemann Hypothesis to me, but, the square root of a negative one is i, as in Slaadi. It must follow that frog = chaos. It's simple nonsense of the fifty-eighteenth degree.
 
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MechaTarrasque

Adventurer
I hold that modrons are fearful of "cultural contamination" by less lawful beings (which is everyone); I present the rogue modron as what happens when a modron is "contaminated."

The Slaad are basically living contamination. They don't try to convince you that chaos is the better way of life or anything like that--nope, they just inject you with a chest burster, and eventually a less chaotic being (you) is replaced by a more chaotic being (the Slaad).

Chaos as contamination fits with CE too. Demon lords are inferior contaminators to Slaad, as they can infect those around them with madness that might lead someone to CE. I would also argue that demons commit atrocities not just because they enjoy it (although they do it for that reason as well), but because mortals might become obsessed with avenging themselves on the demons, even enjoying it (enjoying causing pain in other beings [even evil beings] is pretty heavy into evil territory), and if you won't allow laws, rules, morals, etc. stop you, then you are in chaos territory. [That's why it is always best for your paladin to be sad that he/she couldn't redeem the fiend and had to send it back to the Abyss to save innocents :angel:.]

Philosophically it would fit for CG beings to "contaminate" you with CGness, but practically that is a hard matter.
 

Aebir-Toril

Is lukewarm on the Forgotten Realms
That's just random chaos, true chaos is more unexpected than mashing some keys. Random letters that happen to spell Modron backwards is the essence of chaos. Call it Douglas Adams chaos if you like.
Random chaos? These were the "random" characters which the computer recalled from memory... Ultimate chaos is not caring at all... maybe even using the name "Modron"...
 

Prakriti

Hi, I'm a Mindflayer, but don't let that worry you
In D&D lore, each alignment has a representative creature that embodies that alignment. They are:
  • Lawful Good Archons (Angels)
  • Neutral Good Guardinals
  • Chaotic Good Eladrin
  • Lawful Neutral Modrons
  • Chaotic Neutral Slaadi
  • Lawful Evil Devils
  • Neutral Evil Yugoloths
  • Chaotic Evil Demons
The opposite of Lawful Neutral is Chaotic Neutral, so Slaadi are the opposite of Modrons.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Heh, still using letters which were found in the word "Modron"? True chaos would be more akin to Qyyyeeerrghghfhffggfrgfdg
Yes, but nobody else would call them that, is the thing. Everyone else in the multiverse needs the name that can be pronounced. You come into the bar and say you are a "Qyyyeeerrghghfhffggfrgfdg", the rest of the bar is going to say, "Can we just call you Bruce? It'll cut down on the confusion."

You can rearrange "modron" to be "rondom" - which is not quite perfectly "random", which seems about right.

But, the canonical answer is that the opposite of creatures that are perfect gemometical solids... is frogs. That, again, sounds about right.
 

plisnithus8

Explorer
In D&D lore, each alignment has a representative creature that embodies that alignment. They are:
  • Lawful Good Archons (Angels)
  • Neutral Good Guardinals
  • Chaotic Good Eladrin
  • Lawful Neutral Modrons
  • Chaotic Neutral Slaadi
  • Lawful Evil Devils
  • Neutral Evil Yugoloths
  • Chaotic Evil Demons
The opposite of Lawful Neutral is Chaotic Neutral, so Slaadi are the opposite of Modrons.
Slaadi don't seem chaotic enough to me, with their pattern of colors and formula of reproduction etc..
Something more akin to Wild Magic or that scrambles race/alignment seems more appropriate.

Guardinals must be from a previous edition, hmm...
 

Bohandas

Explorer
Slaad. Limbo. Apparently, the opposite of a geometric shape is .... a frog.



A Slaad Salad.



Chaos.

Or a bunch of frogs in a blender. YMMV.
Its arguable though that the Slaad are actually the opposite of the formians

I think the hagunemnon* are a better fit for the opposite of the modrons and/or inevitables. Being ever shifting masses of flesh as opposed to highly regular metallic forms. Granted the slaadi are flesh too, but they're relatively regular which can be seen as a counterpart to the formians' relative variability.

*(3e Epic Level Handbook (and also the novel Restaurant at the End of the Universe))
 
I have had a realization. The adherance to generally consistant anatomy and orderly composition necessary to create a creature is the roadblock we must overcome. I think ive cracked it.

We dont need a chaotic exemplar.

What we need is a planar disease/plague

One that can only befall the 8 exemplar races (excluding CN) like a super cancer.

Thus would result in 8 different subtypes of the "cn exemplar outsider". 8 different types due to them having a superficial resemblance to the starting material prior to the change. If they ever progress with the disease to the point of terminal illness (death) they can no longer even maintain consistant physical form and they "melt" into the planar substrate.
 

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