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IIRC the medians put an end to them in their mountains before they crushed the assyrian empire.SHARK said:Greetings!
The Greeks, the Persians, and others of the time alternately traded with them, employed them as ferocious mercenaries, and fought wars against them--usually losing to the ferocity, tactics, and skill of the Scythians.
Not that the germanic/gothic nations weren`t pushing into the empire beforeThe Huns were responsible for driving the Goths and Visigoths into the Roman Empire, as well as other tribes.
IIRC Pfofessor Dahn right, Charlemagne, one of his sons or generals, crushed them and that forever.The Avars were another rampaging nomadic tribe--in the hundreds of thousands--that hammered Europe for much of the early Middle Ages
It should be mentioned, that AFAIk Persia and China were military handicaped at this time.The Mongols crushed all those that opposed them through a series of skills and techniques.
The mongols under Thenghis Khan against the first Tang(who sent the turks packing) or the Perians in their high days would be interesting.
No, not really, the european forces were partly horsed(the knightly lance where part heavy riders(Knight, squire, man at arms, part foot, Archer(Archers, light foot))also the medival war hosts broke in the first crusade the turkish forces with their discipline, ruthlessness and dedication.which while many in Europe were as well, horsemanship remained something for aristocrats.
You didn`t mean here the Shah of persian/Chorezm.The Muslim king of Samarkand--a huge city of some 500,000 people or more at the time, received some Mongol ambassadors.
No, the mongols butchered the conquered without thought of they fought honorable or not.When the Mongols came knocking, people had learned to open up the doors quickly, or fight the Mongols honourably, without any deceit
The riders of germany had broken the magyars in one battle, after the bishop of augsburg crushed their morale by their attack on his city.On balance, terrain, weather, European skill, nor Muslim fanaticism could or would have stopped the Mongols had the Mongols been able to maintain united, strong leadership. The Mongols proved--time and time again--that they could absolutely annihilate the best that Europe or the Muslims could field, and they could make it look impressively easy, and absolutely embarrassing for all of their defeated foes.
Tthe duke who commanded at liegnitz must be a fool, but AFAIK the mongols hadn`t even the ressources at hand to take the fortresses and castles of hungary.
But, the mongols would´ve fast great difficulty at best to feed their ponies in europe, this could be a reason, but the successor incident is a myth AFAIK.
I think the mongolian wave had exhausted himself.