Let's Read Daggerheart +

[dbm]

I'm not really seeing a meaningful inconsistency.

I agree, the statements are not mutually exclusive or contradictory in my opinion.

 

[TheAlkaizer]

I had zero interest in Daggerheart. But I've read a bit about it in the past days and there's interesting ideas. My interest is growing.

I think the issues I see most raised are with the metacurrencies and the narrative that's more freeform than in more rigid designs. Having been brought up on D&D, I do admit that the one thing that's the most difficult to adapt to when I change game is not the rules, dice mechanics, etc; but the flow the game, what habits and reflexes are built-in from D&D and maybe do not fit the dynamics of this new game.

I think that might be part of the issue, ton of people approach Daggerheart like an alternative to D&D, which it is, but it's also quite different.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think that might be part of the issue, ton of people approach Daggerheart like an alternative to D&D, which it is, but it's also quite different.

It's not necessarily a problem though, because you don't have to instantly snap to an entirely new paradigm like you really do kind of need to with say, Blades in the Dark or even good old Apocalypse World. Instead you can actually just run this very much like D&D and get away with it. Will it be perfectly utilizing all the new systems and approaches and so on? No, but it'll work and you can then gradually shift or gradually integrate new ways of doing things.

This is also partly why Dungeon World saw both much greater acceptance from people who didn't play PtbA stuff than other PtbA games, and much greater hostility from PtbA purists who essentially saw it as dangerous heresy. Dungeon World explicitly suggested to start out by just running old D&D modules but with DW used as the rules (the bestiary was good enough to work for most older AD&D adventures, especially if you were a little creative), before working your way to going sort of "full PtbA". DH doesn't even go that far - it essentially never actually suggests going beyond what you might call "partial PtbA", with the players being responsible for a fairly limited amount of the fiction and they're not required to be responsible for any, really.

 

[TheAlkaizer]

It's not necessarily a problem though, because you don't have to instantly snap to an entirely new paradigm like you really do kind of need to with say, Blades in the Dark or even good old Apocalypse World. Instead you can actually just run this very much like D&D and get away with it. Will it be perfectly utilizing all the new systems and approaches and so on? No, but it'll work and you can then gradually shift or gradually integrate new ways of doing things.

I agree. But I do think it's a cause for much friction. I'm sure it'll ease over a few months.

 

[zakael19]

It's not necessarily a problem though, because you don't have to instantly snap to an entirely new paradigm like you really do kind of need to with say, Blades in the Dark or even good old Apocalypse World. Instead you can actually just run this very much like D&D and get away with it. Will it be perfectly utilizing all the new systems and approaches and so on? No, but it'll work and you can then gradually shift or gradually integrate new ways of doing things.

This is also partly why Dungeon World saw both much greater acceptance from people who didn't play PtbA stuff than other PtbA games, and much greater hostility from PtbA purists who essentially saw it as dangerous heresy. Dungeon World explicitly suggested to start out by just running old D&D modules but with DW used as the rules (the bestiary was good enough to work for most older AD&D adventures, especially if you were a little creative), before working your way to going sort of "full PtbA". DH doesn't even go that far - it essentially never actually suggests going beyond what you might call "partial PtbA", with the players being responsible for a fairly limited amount of the fiction and they're not required to be responsible for any, really.

I mean the core expectation is GM crafted narrative arcs! It’s very much written to be “situation not plot” story play.

You can easily move it towards something more “play to find out-ish” by bringing in Fronts and such; but the starting default seems to be “5e CR style narrative/“RP” focused play culture with an emphasis on saying cool stuff and figuring out a roll, and inviting players to Paint the Scene style worldbuild.”

 

[aramis erak]

I saw the pages on programming a CPU. It was fun, and whimsical ...but... since I don't watch CR.... um.... why is that there?

One of the five settings is a clark-tech sci-fi/cyberpunk dystopia.