What monsters should be in a sequel to Tome of Horrors?

[BOZ]

AFAIK, scott isn't taking outside submissions, but they are always welcome here if you haven't posted them already.

 

[Cyberhawk]

Re: Monsters for Tome of Horrors II? Sure!

Dragons, Paramental
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Ice Dragon
Magma Dragon
Ooze Dragon
Smoke Dragon

Woohooo! the Para-elementals were always among my favorites (for dragons and elementals in general).
I would love to see their arrival in 3E/3.5E.

And after you have them then you get the Quasi elemental planes too, especially Lightning!

What can I say..12 Elemental planes are just more fun than 4. (and that's not counting the odd ones from Dark Sun like Rain and Silt)

 

[thundershot]

Hi all!

Okay what about the various Monsters from OD&D Immortals that WotC didn't update for the Epic Level Handbook (Okay, they did Blackballs).

Does anyone out there with the OD&D Immortals set have the full list (I only have Wrath of the Immortals).

Anyway lets see:

- Baak
- Draeden...how the hell could WotC not update the Draeden for goodness sake!?
- Flicker
- Jumper
- Monster Rulers (Template? Presumably beyond Monsters of Legend)
- Notion

I am sure there are others in the Immortals set?

I have the Immortals Rules boxed set, so here's a list of everything in the monster section of book two... I'm only including creatures that have new stats, not the ones with notes from previous sets.

Baak
Demon, Screaming
Demon, Croaking
Demon, Howling
Demon, Whispering
Demon, Orcus
Demon, Demogorgon
Diabolus
Draeden
Elemaster
Flicker
Jumper
Megalith
Nipper
Notion
Protean
Repeater
Soo
Titan
Tonal, Breve
Tonal, Semibreve
Tonal, Minim
Tonal, Crotchet
Tonal, Quaver
Tonal, Semiquaver


Not that it matters... I was so hoping TOH2 would collect and update 0E and 2E monsters this time, but it's not... I want books, not printed out sheets... (Sorry, I always spend the extra money on books rather than PDFs)


Thanks
Chris

 

[BOZ]

folks, in case you haven't heard already, the ToH2 will have very very few conversions in it - mostly new stuff. fraid it's mostly written too. but there's always part 3...

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey thundershot mate!

I have the Immortals Rules boxed set, so here's a list of everything in the monster section of book two... I'm only including creatures that have new stats, not the ones with notes from previous sets.

Okay.

Demon, Screaming
Demon, Croaking
Demon, Howling
Demon, Whispering
Demon, Orcus
Demon, Demogorgon
Titan

Well these boys and girls are already in either the Monster Manual; or the Book of Vile Darkness for the Demon Prince of Spaghetti.

Baak
Diabolus
Draeden
Elemaster
Flicker
Jumper
Megalith
Nipper
Notion
Protean
Repeater
Soo
Tonal, Breve
Tonal, Semibreve
Tonal, Minim
Tonal, Crotchet
Tonal, Quaver
Tonal, Semiquaver

Presumably the Protean is the same as the Hagunemnon from the Epic Level Handbook.

What the heck is a 'Soo'?

I may have to take the law into my own hands with regards the Draeden if no ones got the gumption to detail it.

Not that it matters... I was so hoping TOH2 would collect and update 0E and 2E monsters this time, but it's not... I want books, not printed out sheets... (Sorry, I always spend the extra money on books rather than PDFs)

The Tome of Horrors is synonymous with conversions, so I must admit I am a little surprised the sequel is more or less 'conversion free'. Not that that would stop me buying it of course...all I need is a CR 21+ and I'm anybodies.

But I could forsee a few who might be mislead, thinking it would be more of the same; ie. primarily conversions.

 

[thundershot]

What the heck is a 'Soo'?

Description: Soo are water time-beings, and have no solid forms. They appear as small dark spheres, each about 1 foot across per hit die. Each soo is composed mostly of water and time.

That's the description, at least...

I may have to take the law into my own hands with regards the Draeden if no ones got the gumption to detail it.

Even after all these years, the Draeden still scares me.



Thanks
Chris

 

[BOZ]

The Tome of Horrors is synonymous with conversions, so I must admit I am a little surprised the sequel is more or less 'conversion free'.

i'm sure you're not the only one. i really hope they decide to change the name or rethink the "no-conversions" idea.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi thundershot mate!

Are those strange beasts in your sig. Guinea Pigs and if so does the one at the end with the glowing red eyes have the Fiendish Template?

Description: Soo are water time-beings, and have no solid forms. They appear as small dark spheres, each about 1 foot across per hit die. Each soo is composed mostly of water and time.

That's the description, at least...

Curiouser and curiouser.

They did love their ephemeral enemies in the OD&D Immortals game.

Even after all these years, the Draeden still scares me.

My character actually killed one once (Or at least a veritable carbon copy of one; we were playing AD&D not OD&D).

It was sucking Oerths magic force (yes the planet). So we had to retrieve an artifact from a sect of Incabulos worshippers called the Cult of the All Destroying Stone who also had Talos (the triple iron golem) as a guardian. Incabulos didn't take too kindly to a couple of (then) Demigods gatecrashing his temple and decided to show up himself, fortunately Incabulos 1st Ed. stats were fairly flimsy for a Greater God (thanks for that Gary! ). So, to cut a long story short we triumphed (with casualties) and gained the Stone (one of the fabled Stones of Amplification; akin to the giant meteor under Castle Greyhawk that Zagig used to imprison various Demigods).

The plan was to throw the stone into the beast which would try to drain the stone and overload. Of course we had to get close enough for it to work and we also needed someone to draw off the creatures attacks to give my character a chance. So we recruited the Norse Pantheon (of which my character was a member) and we gated to within a safe distance and attacked (in a scene similar to the Battle of Yavin I imagine), as we approached tentacle attacks were taking out Norse Gods left, right and centre. Luckily my character survived the initial attack and perhaps its my rose tinted nostalgia but I could swear Tyr (one of the few remaining Gods) said "your all clear kid now lets blow this thing and go home!".

Of course when my character was later asking Mordenkainen for aid during the Greyhawk Wars and played the "I saved your whole planet card" Mordie accused him of "Blowing his own trumpet". Fortunately for him my character was Lawful good even though slaying the archmage on the spot for such an afront crossed my mind,

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey BOZ mate!

i'm sure you're not the only one. i really hope they decide to change the name or rethink the "no-conversions" idea.

Well if the material is already written (which it purportedly is) and the book has already been announced (which it has) then I can't see things being changed.

Personally I think this move may hurt the dynamic of what the Tome of Horrors stands for.

I mean its not like they couldn't have come up with an alternate name. WotC have the Monster Manual (and sequel) and Fiend Folio...although there was no reason the recent Fiend Folio couldn't have been Monster Manual III...since the initial dynamic of the FF was that it was comprised of submissions compiled outside the company (then TSR).

So while I am all in favour of a sequel to the Tome of Horrors I think changing its 'unique selling point' (conversions) will be detrimental to the books reputation.

The idea (presumably?) from Necromancers point of view is that with the Tome of Horrors already an established name (and one with a great pedigree) any sequel can in part ride that wave of success. Whereas a wholly new concept book will have to build its reputation all over again.

 

[Krug]

Ketchup and Vegemite golems.