What the Dorruh are you doing to my Eberron?

[FourthBear]

If they are keeping the planes already mentioned in the original Eberron Campaign Guide and simply placing them within the "big planes" of the 4e cosmology, I can't get too worked up over the whole thing. As noted before, it's not like the Eberron planes were detailed to any significant degree beyond their name, number and their tendency to enter conjunction. In general, I'm not overly fond of a single cosmology for all published WotC campaigns, but this specific instance doesn't drive me to rage.

Wow, some people take this *really* seriously. So, they could keep absolutely everything the same and simply rename the planes to fit in the 4e cosmology and that would be enough to cause the campaign guide to be utterly worthless and worth mourning? I can see not liking it, but geez.

 

[ExploderWizard]

Wait, isn't this the reason they got rid of the Great Wheel in the first place? So that settings didn't have to conform to each other?

No. They got rid of the great wheel because it was tied to older editions. Now they can have thier own new great wheel that they don't have to share with other publishers. A lot of the changes that were made to both fluff and crunch was partially to help wotc regain control over its IP.

 

[greatamericanfolkher]

The should just reveal that eberron is just another part of the forgotten realms and get it over with.

 

[Rechan]

The other reason they ditched the Great Wheel is because it was a big, giant, muddled, bloated mess with a lot of baggage.

The reason FR got torpedoed is that there was, again, too much baggage. Mountains upon mountains of novels and supplements and books that the designers felt bogged it down. Every corner of FR had been covered twice over in all of that. New ground was needed to be made.

Eberron has little covered in comparison to FR; large swaths of the setting have yet to be even covered aside from 2 pages in the ECS and the PGtE. Hell, they aren't even advancing the timeline two years, because the fans freaked.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

If they are keeping the planes already mentioned in the original Eberron Campaign Guide and simply placing them within the "big planes" of the 4e cosmology, I can't get too worked up over the whole thing. As noted before, it's not like the Eberron planes were detailed to any significant degree beyond their name, number and their tendency to enter conjunction. In general, I'm not overly fond of a single cosmology for all published WotC campaigns, but this specific instance doesn't drive me to rage.

Wow, some people take this *really* seriously. So, they could keep absolutely everything the same and simply rename the planes to fit in the 4e cosmology and that would be enough to cause the campaign guide to be utterly worthless and worth mourning? I can see not liking it, but geez.

Or maybe we're (understandably) paranoid because we saw what happened to Forgotten Realms?

Right now, 4e has only one thing on their records for "translating" previous settings over, and that's FR. And what they did to FR was what chop shops do to cars. Eberron fans have been nervous for some time after seeing what the developers did to poor FR, and this is the beginning of having all their suspicions being confirmed.

Don't act like 4e has no track record here. They do. And it's not a good one.

 

[malraux]

Aside from the occasional conjunction or opposition (or whatever its called when the plane gets far away) did the Eberron planes matter?

 

[FourthBear]

Don't act like 4e has no track record here. They do. And it's not a good one.

We should also not act as though the only announcements the designers have made has involved changes to the campaign. The writers have also said a number of times that there are no plans to rework Eberron or introduce a FR style cataclysm. They were considering advancing the timeline a few years, but put the kibosh on that due to negative feedback. I'm sure there will be some changes and I believe they said they were going to introduce a new secret society, but has been no evidence that Realms style reworking is planned and interviews to the contrary. It seems more than a little premature to start triumphant chants of failure.

 

[aurance]

Or maybe we're (understandably) paranoid because we saw what happened to Forgotten Realms?

Right now, 4e has only one thing on their records for "translating" previous settings over, and that's FR. And what they did to FR was what chop shops do to cars. Eberron fans have been nervous for some time after seeing what the developers did to poor FR, and this is the beginning of having all their suspicions being confirmed.

Don't act like 4e has no track record here. They do. And it's not a good one.

That is not really a lot of track record to presuppose a pattern.

Anyway, as far as I can tell, the cosmology "change" to Eberron is only really jarring if you look at these extradimensional spaces as immovable pieces in a 3-D figure, while losing sight of the fact that these are just metaphorical representations. If you don't get hung up on "where" these extradimensional spaces are, on this fairly abstract 3-D grid, the change is not really that much of a change. You access all these spaces pretty much the same as before.

 

[Rechan]

I'm sure there will be some changes and I believe they said they were going to introduce a new secret society, but has been no evidence that Realms style reworking is planned and interviews to the contrary. It seems more than a little premature to start triumphant chants of failure.

IIRC, the only changes thus far will be expanding and explaining 4e stuff. Like, "Where do Eladrin fit in?" Answer: They have been coming from Thelanis.

I do recall one "New Bad Guy Group" that will be popping up, and it involves a Magebred Human. There was also something murmured about a sea-based villainous group.

 

[Oni]

Yay, something new to grouse about.

I think I'll wait and see how the execution is before get too up in arms.