What use for OSRIC?

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Osric would be useful for showing people what 1st ed AD&D was like, since the books are out of print now.

It will also provide a home and market for those who want to make new resources/adventures/etc. for 1st ed AD&D type games and who (for whatever reason) are not comfortable or not familiar with other similar options (like Castles and Crusades, or Hackmaster).

For me, since I am a C&C fan, I hope Osric does very well, and lots of people make up resources/adventures that I will then use for C&C games I run. Go Osric! :)
 

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sjmiller said:
You can find it here. One important thing to take into account is that the table of contents and the index are one page off. If you add one to the numbers in each of them you will find the right page. This is being corrected in the next edition.

grodog said:
Which should be available soon-ish: there are two editors still wrangling through the document :D
If you folks need assistance in that regard, please let me know. Editing is a major part of my day job. Plus, I can tell you right now, some of the tables are in need of a bit of help. A little change in how they are presented would do them wonders.
 

For myself, OSRIC has opened up my eyes as to how the OGL and SRD can be used to legally publish material for older games. At first I didn't see the need for such a system either, but now that I understand it better (i.e., that its a vehicle to publish with, rather than a system to be played) I support it whole heartedly.

The market for products based on older editions of the game has probably been rightly noted as being a niche market, and that there probably won't be alot of money it for those who want to publish such material. That being said, an OGL version of the older edition games like OSRIC does open up the door for an author to make a professional looking product, because he can recoup the cost of professional artwork and layout.

Let me give an example. I'm working on a book of monsters, as well as some modules. I'd like my book of monsters to look and feel like one of the older edition monster books, and thus I've been in contact with several artists who fit that style of b&w interior illustration and color covers. To have a nice color cover (front & back), as well as every monster in the book illustrated with b&w illustrations, I'm estimating that it will cost me out of pocket at least $1,500 US to have this done, and probably closer to $2,000 (or more). The cost to publish a hardback book, at the number of pages I estimate this book will run, would be $20 per unit via a print on demand company like Lulu.com. So, to make any profit at all I'd have to sell this book for more than $20. Lets say I decide to sell this monster book for $25. I'd have to sell 400 copies of it just to make back what I paid for the artwork!

Given that material for older editions of the game probably isn't going to sell thousands of copies, why would I want to make such a product and fork out all of that money for artwork when I know that I'm not going to see a return on my investment?

Because I simply would like to make a book that looks nice, and because I believe in the old fashioned motto, "Games made by gamers for gamers." I'm not in this to make money, I'm in it because I'd like make some nice rpg material that others could appreciate and enjoy in their games. Given that print products are still way more popular than digital, that people like to have a book in their hands, and given that printing books costs a good amount of money, it'd be nice to be able to meet whatever niche demand there is out there without breaking my piggy bank. :)

I've always though it'd be great to have Erol Otus do a cover for a module of mine. Any idea what an Otus cover would run? More than a few pennies, I'd imagine. With an OGL platform like OSRIC, however, my desire to have an Otus cover might actually get fulfilled, since there's a decent chance I'd at least be able to recoup the costs of the artwork.

Good artwork doesn't come cheap, and its very difficult to line up free artwork for a book or module. Its the biggest bottleneck in the whole process. However, if I can sell enough copies of a book to recoup that cost, and do it legally through something like OSRIC, then I can put out a book that looks very professional and at least cover my costs.
 
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sjmiller said:
If you folks need assistance in that regard, please let me know. Editing is a major part of my day job. Plus, I can tell you right now, some of the tables are in need of a bit of help. A little change in how they are presented would do them wonders.

sjmiller: more eyes and feedback are always welcome; there are defintely some layout issues, but I don't know that anyone has addressed them in-depth yet. Threads for suggestions/corrections are on The Delver's Dungeon @ http://www.thedelversdungeon.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=11 and on Dragonsfoot @ http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18537

@ Jupp: just noticed your PPP .sig link: cool :D
 


John Stark said:
The market for products based on older editions of the game has probably been rightly noted as being a niche market, and that there probably won't be alot of money it for those who want to publish such material.

Apparently there's enough of a market for pre-3.x versions of the game for Goodman Games to print a limited-edition GenCon 1e release of "The Iron Crypts of the Heretics": http://www.goodman-games.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=929 Demand for it was apparently very high at GenCon, and they sold out of the print run in 90 minutes.
 

PapersAndPaychecks said:
Considering that it's a non-profit and free to the public, there's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that OSRIC will be a commercial failure, lol.

Ah, I meant the entire line of products compatible rather than the game engine itself. Sorry for not being more clear.

"OSRIC-compatible products might well prove to be commercial failures, &c." But that possibility doesn't cause me any grief.
 

Another selling point for an OGL system like OSRIC:

If I wanted to make a module, and publish it using C&C or Rob Kuntz's CU stats, or whatever other publishing company that is out there, I'd have to get permission to use those.

With OSRIC, no permission is needed. Anyone can use OSRIC to publish material for older games, without getting permission from the authors of OSRIC, as long as they include the OSRIC license and the OGL in their work.

For someone like myself, who has no interest in using a different game system to publish my stuff, I like the no-string-attached approach that OSRIC takes. :)
 

Actually, there has been a legal challenge. A bloke called Traveller on Dragonsfoot gave me a so-called "30 day notice" to take it down... he wasn't affiliated with WOTC or an attorney or anything, he was just a poster who doesn't like OSRIC.

After I'd finished laughing at him, he shut up and went away. :D

On another note, I must say that I'm not too thrilled about being called an "unsavory character." That annoys me. And I don't know of any publishers who've "blacklisted" me or any of the people who collaborated with me on OSRIC, nor do I know of any reason why they might do so.
 

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