What Were They Thinking? Worst Comic Ideas.

[Psychotic Dreamer]

CHANGE IS GOOD.

Yes Change is good. I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying realistic aging characters would not be good. Characters can change and grow without having to age in a realistic manner.

 

[Tauric]

Worst ideas IMHO:

DK2

Superman Blue/Red- I mean, really, electric powers? containment suit? two Supes?

The current Uncanny X-Men, Nightcrawler as the son of Satan, and Archangel appears to actually be an angel. Come on.

Magneto on drugs, New X-Men. I would have thought M was more intelligent than that, not to mention unwilling to cloud his mind.

Also, the "darkening" of comics. In New X-Men recently, Cyclops has impressed Wolverine with his ruthlessness. One of the best things about X-Men was the interaction of Logan's agressive recklessness and willingness to kill, and Scott's restraint and determined non-lethality. By making Cyclops (and others, such as Beast) more grim and gritty, the writers are messing with what made the team interesting, because the only difference is now the powers, not the personalities. (And I don't buy the rationale that it is a response to the demands of a more violent reality that I've heard bandied about my LCBS. It would be better to have the villains get more violent, and the heroes prevail without sinking to the level of "kill 'em all, God will know his own").

 

[garyh]

Dear god. I now know Horror.

And what's up with these Transformers/GI Joe comics that I saw yesterday at the comic shop?

With new TF and Joe comics all the rage, it was decided to do two more limited series, one by Image/Devil's Due (who handles the Joe comics) and one by Dreamwave (who handles the TFs).

The two limited series are not in the same universe, and neither take place in either the TF or Joe "official" universes.

 

[garyh]

I liked the Spider-Man Transformers crossover! I still remember Starscream yelling "What kind of human can do this?!"

I think it would have been great fun to merge the TF and Marvel Universes... the editors at Marvel, however, did not.

As a side note, partway through the '80s TF series, the TF writers came up with their own team of government-sponsored human superheroes who intereacted with the TFs.

 

[Macbeth]

Okay, one more try for defending the Ultimate series: they are good stories. Obviously, VERY MANY people enjoy them emmensly. It dosen't matter if they are needed in contintuity or not, anything that produces stories this good is fine with me. I don't care if the stories are good enough to fit into the main story line or what not, as long as I get good stories (it helps that I don't have to wade thourgh years of junk to get it. the only very old character I ever really got into the continuity of was Superman, and that proved to me that years of history are not good if they don't make sense). I don't understand why you just can't let the Ultimate series be. Sure, you may not like them, but saying that they are pointless just because of that is not right.

Also, a bit of trivia that escaped somebody earlier: the Superchimp (or Supermonkey, as I recall him being called) was named Beppo. Yes, that is not a typo, Beppo. THAT is why Crisis was needed.

 

[Aaron L]

As a side note, partway through the '80s TF series, the TF writers came up with their own team of government-sponsored human superheroes who intereacted with the TFs.

Was that the paraplegic lady who invented circuitry pasties to wear all over her body to let her move, but they found out it also let her fly and fire lightning bolts and control machines and stuff? That was kinda neat


God, that was like '84 or '85. I was 8. Yeeesh.

 

[garyh]

Was that the paraplegic lady who invented circuitry pasties to wear all over her body to let her move, but they found out it also let her fly and fire lightning bolts and control machines and stuff? That was kinda neat


God, that was like '84 or '85. I was 8. Yeeesh.

You're refering to Circuitbreaker, and yes, she was on the team, though she was actually introduced about 30 issues before they decided to make a team. She was the sole superhuman in the TF universe for a while. Circuitbreaker was actually made parapalegic after being caught in the crossfire between Autobots and Decepticons. That's why she hated the Cybertronians so much.

 

[Aaron L]

Wow that RAD!!! I haven't seen that in forever!

 

[Tonguez]

Elementals Porn

Hey I use to enjoy that Elemental porn - the water chick making out with a dolphin well mmmmmmm

oops sorry talking about elementals and porn has anyone mentioned the demise of the Swamp Thing?

You know that stoopid storyline where he travels through back through time to plant the first seed in the garden of eden and his heart is the holy grail or something - I lost interest so didn't really follow...

 

[TiQuinn]

I think you are misunderstanding something here. Crisis in essense rebooted the DC universe. That's the reason Byrne revamped Superman. All the heroes got a rewrite (major or minor) in the months that followed...well, except Hawkman, which led to mucho confusion when they reinvented him in the 90s, screwing up the continuity of many titles where the old Hawkman appeared. This partly led to Zero Hour.

Like I said in my first post, it had to do with all the alternated Earths (with a bunch of redundant heroes) out there, not to mention a lot of overpowering and storytelling baggage, particularly Superman. Pre-Crisis, Supes could push planets, fly through time, hear a pin drop in another galaxy, and blow out a star. Plus you had Kryptonite in every shade of the rainbow.

Also, there was a problem that Byrne pointed out so well when he started the revamping: It seemed like the only people who died when Krypton exploded was Superman's parents and a few of their close neighbors. He wasn't kidding. You had dozens of Phantom Zone villains, Supergirl, Superboy, Krypto the Superdog, Comet the Superhorse, Streaky the Supercat, and a SuperChimp whose name I can't recall. I think there was even a Supermouse. Plus you had the entire bottled city of Kandor.

I figured Byrne started on Superman a couple of years after Crisis. The relation between Crisis and rebooting the line didn't click in my mind.

Regardless, my point is worrying about any of that was silliness in and of itself. I didn't understand the overwhelming need to retcon history in a comic book, as if said history actually mattered. Streaky and Comet could've just as easily never been mentioned again, and in a couple of years, nobody would remember them save the geekiest of fanboys. There did not need to be two Supermans (Golden and Silver), two Batmans, two Flashes, etc. Crisis on Infinite Earths was an ugly attempt to appease the continuity gods. Besides that, it was just painful to read which is really the main offense.