What would change for you if Wizards started calling it 6E?

[UngeheuerLich]

Ah, if you dont like the system itself then its a long wait for a train that dont come.

Also CR does work well enough.

I liked 4e monster level more, because it was easier for me to use 4 level 1 monster vs 4 level 1 PCs instead of reminding myself that CR 1 means an easy challenge for 4 level 1 PCs.

But because of the backwards compatibility that will be more than lip service, that can't happen. But if monsters hit the CR mark better on general, I am all for it.

 

[payn]

Also CR does work well enough.

I liked 4e monster level more, because it was easier for me to use 4 level 1 monster vs 4 level 1 PCs instead of reminding myself that CR 1 means an easy challenge for 4 level 1 PCs.

But because of the backwards compatibility that will be more than lip service, that can't happen. But if monsters hit the CR mark better on general, I am all for it.

Im a PF1 guy so CR being horseshoes and hand grenades is just fine. Though, if CR was really important id be playing PF2 which is the best yet. Yeap, even better than 4E.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Im a PF1 guy so CR being horseshoes and hand grenades is just fine. Though, if CR was really important id be playing PF2 which is the best yet. Yeap, even better than 4E.

Since Pathfinder2 resembles 4e in a way, I am not surprised at all.

 

[Parmandur]

What stops them from correcting CR for onednd?

CR itself isn't ao problematic itself, the big problems are, first, abilities that make creatures have a big chance of going Nova unpredictably (specifically, PHB Spells), and secondly, the Ebcounter building guidelines in the DMG which are definitely...guidelines. Very rough guidelines. Which most of the time give the same answers as complex spreadsheets that WotC uses for building Encounters in published products...but are way more simple, and therefore have more failure states.

To the first, Monsters since Van Richten's Guide in 2021, and very obviously the revisions in Monsters of the Multiverse, have been worked to have less swing, more predictable for a DM abilities (that is, not use PHB Spells), so they behave as suggested by CR more consistently. These work better in practice already.

The new DMG is supposed to have new guidelines that more consistently produce predictable results without a complex multipage spreadsheet. Time will tell.

 

[Corinnguard]

Im a PF1 guy so CR being horseshoes and hand grenades is just fine.

I am also a PF1 fan, but more of a collector than a player.

 

[Azzy]

The new DMG is supposed to have new guidelines that more consistently produce predictable results without a complex multipage spreadsheet. Time will tell.

They've also said that the will eventually release software (or a spreadsheet—I don't remember) that matches their actual method for determining CR.

Personally, I like CR as a rough guideline. It's not a precise determination, but I don't think that that's ever been its stated goal. Yes, I would something tighter and easier to calculate (like, allegedly, 4e's method), but as a ballpark estimation I find it useful.

 

[Clint_L]

I'd be happy, since "6E" would indicate that WotC had abandoned the futile quest for "backwards compativbility" and were instead 100% focused on making the 2024 rules the best possible version of D&D they could.

If "6E" was still aiming for backwards compatibility with 5E I'd start questioning their sanity...

There is a 0.0% chance of them paying $140 million for DDB, which has millions of users and more every minute, and not being focused on delivering backwards compatibility.

That would be insane.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

Ah, if you dont like the system itself then its a long wait for a train that dont come.

that's okay the train will be here someday... when this edition has sales fumble someone will pitch 6e

 

[payn]

that's okay the train will be here someday... when this edition has sales fumble someone will pitch 6e

10 years ago id agree, but in this digital age with the "end of editions" I highly doubt it.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

10 years ago id agree, but in this digital age with the "end of editions" I highly doubt it.

end of editions is a talking point, but when they need a boost they will take it