What would WotC need to do to win back the disenchanted?

[Mournblade94]

The kinaesthetic nature of 4e helps draw me in.

I am a but of a literalist so I must be forgiven for that. I have seen kinesthesis, or that the 4e game is kinesthetic several times in this thread. What are we refering to here?

Is it that forces are illustrated in the powers? Because the forces are wonky. Let me tell you, several decades of SCA broadsword fighting and I have never seen anyone knocked back 5 feet from a blow, unless someone was charging. Now I don't care if 4e powers do that, it is fine it is a fantasy game. BUT I do not want to hear how the 4e powers are more REALISTIC because they knock someone back.

 

[renau1g]

Let me tell you, several decades of SCA broadsword fighting and I have never seen anyone knocked back 5 feet from a blow, unless someone was charging.

Apparently you haven't seen anyone with an 18/00 Str

 

[ggroy]

Apparently you haven't seen anyone with an 18/00 Str

Would the present governor of California have an 18/00 STR?

 

[Shazman]

No, I think that only an olympic weightlifter or a 7ft giant from the WWE would have something close to an 18/00 str.

 

[renau1g]

Naw, he might have a girdle of giant strength or something... at least back in his prime, putting him well above mortal men.

Nowadays, I might put him there.

 

[renau1g]

No, I think that only an olympic weightlifter or a 7ft giant from the WWE would have something close to an 18/00 str.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEgVM3bzN_Y]YouTube - Arnold Schwarzenegger Mr. Olympia 1975[/ame]

 

[MichaelSomething]

I wonder why some people even play D&D when the boardgame Descent seems to be a better fit for their tastes anyway...

NOTE: See how that works? So why even go there?

Honestly, I don't know how to respond to your question. Should I go into a long analysis on what D&D is versus what people want D&D to be or should I just spout out another spiffy one liner?

Yeah, I remember the releases leading up to 4E. There was a lot of talk from WotC about their playtesting, and not just in-house playtesting. I don't know how many people outside of WotC were involved, but it sounded fairly extensive. I think it's a bit of a spurious argument to say that 4E wasn't properly playtested or tested only in-house.

Conveniently, they list all the playtesters on page 316 of the PHB. I guessimate about 600 playtesters, or at least enough names to fill a whole page with a small font. I'm not gonna count out every name to find out exactly how many.

 

[ggroy]

YouTube - Arnold Schwarzenegger Mr. Olympia 1975

What STR did Conan have in the 1E AD&D Conan modules?

 

[Scribble]

Would the present governor of California have an 18/00 STR?

Ahrnald is a member of the SCA?

 

[renau1g]

What STR did Conan have in the 1E AD&D Conan modules?

Only 18/90 actually....wait... his Int was 14? Juma had a 18/51 Str.... good ol' Conan...