D&D 5E Whatever "lore" is, it isn't "rules."

[Nagol]

Wait so they've never established how many moons Oerth has? If so thats a change... not addition... an addition would be fleshing out said moons in accordance with already established lore.

It has two according to the TSR1015 boxed set, page 4. I think it is mentioned in the original folio as well. Luna and Celene are the moons. Luna corresponds to our moon. Celene appears smaller and a aquamarine colour.

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The same text does appear in the original folio on page 4.

 

[Shasarak]

It has two according to the TSR1015 boxed set, page 4. I think it is mentioned in the original folio as well. Luna and Celene are the moons. Luna corresponds to our moon. Celene appears smaller and a aquamarine colour.

*edit*
The same text does appear in the original folio on page 4.

The Greyspace supplement in Spelljammer also has two moons Celene (also known as Kule) and Luna (also known as Raenei). It also confirms Celene as being aquamarine and Luna as white and almost featureless.

 

[pemerton]

I know how many moons of GH are described in the folio and boxed set.

My point is that adding a third moon - a small black moon that orbits rapidly and close to the Oerth - is an addition, not a change, and hence is - by some set of standards promulgated in this and the other othread - not a departure from canon.

( [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION] makes the same point at post 360.)

 

[pemerton]

All I'm saying is that changing the setting lore will eventually result in a setting which no longer represents the original published setting. Were I in your game, I would have expectations of what Greyhawk is based on the official setting lore, and those expectations would be disappointed over and over, at least from what you've posted here.



You aren't meant to apply it. You should be doing what's best for your game, not applying what I'm saying. If you guys are happy running an alternate universe Greyhawk and calling it Greyhawk, more power to you.

But the only reason you have given for it being "alternative GH" rathwr than GH per se is that you, Maxperson, would have certain expectations disappointed. You have expressly eschewed offering any reason that is not individual and particular to you.

How is that a reason for judging whether or not it is really a GH game (as oppposed to, say, a game that you want to play in).

 

[Imaro]

I know how many moons of GH are described in the folio and boxed set.

My point is that adding a third moon - a small black moon that orbits rapidly and close to the Oerth - is an addition, not a change, and hence is - by some set of standards promulgated in this and the other othread - not a departure from canon.

( @Hussar makes the same point at post 360.)

Wrong... you are altering a previously established fact about the setting... there are 2 moons... that's not an addition, its a change.

 

[Lanliss]

Wrong... you are altering a previously established fact about the setting... there are 2 moons... that's not an addition, its a change.

I don't know greyhawk, but what if you had appropriate lore for this new moon appearing? Some Lich king or something like that enacted a powerful Ritual to increase dark powers in the world. This causes a new moon to teleport into existence.

That seems like an Addition to me, so long as it used actual Greyhawk lore instead of my Generic lore.

 

[Maxperson]

But the only reason you have given for it being "alternative GH" rathwr than GH per se is that you, Maxperson, would have certain expectations disappointed. You have expressly eschewed offering any reason that is not individual and particular to you.

Pretty much everyone has a line where settings stop being that setting. It varies from person to person, so of course I can't speak to anyone but myself. My line isn't your line. Your line isn't [MENTION=94143]Shasarak[/MENTION]'s line. His line isn't [MENTION=48965]Imaro[/MENTION]'s, and so on. The line does exist for everyone, though.

How is that a reason for judging whether or not it is really a GH game (as oppposed to, say, a game that you want to play in).

I didn't say I wouldn't want to play in it. I said I wouldn't view it as Greyhawk.

 

[Shasarak]

I know how many moons of GH are described in the folio and boxed set.

My point is that adding a third moon - a small black moon that orbits rapidly and close to the Oerth - is an addition, not a change, and hence is - by some set of standards promulgated in this and the other othread - not a departure from canon.

So Greyspace is a departure from canon but 3rd Moon is not?

No I dont get it.

 

[Maxperson]

So Greyspace is a departure from canon but 3rd Moon is not?

Neither one is canon. Greyspace is part of a meta setting, so it can't be cannon for the Greyhawk campaign. Canon states unequivocally that there are two moons. It does not say they think that there are two moons. It does not say two known moons. It uses no language that leaves open the possibility of a third moon. Adding a third moon change the two moon canon into three moon homebrew.

 

[Imaro]

I don't know greyhawk, but what if you had appropriate lore for this new moon appearing? Some Lich king or something like that enacted a powerful Ritual to increase dark powers in the world. This causes a new moon to teleport into existence.

That seems like an Addition to me, so long as it used actual Greyhawk lore instead of my Generic lore.

No its a change to canon(which is perfectly fine to do if you want to)... not an addition (an addition would be adding to the canon where it hasn't been detailed or established). The point is that GH having 2 moons has been established since the setting first apeared.