Dannyalcatraz said:If RPG companies give such advantageous wholesale prices to online retailers that most FLGSs go under, they'll lose bargaining leverage. Those online retailers will become (virtually) the sole outlets for the product, resulting in monopsony/oligopsony- a single or small pool of large wholesale purchasers who then can dictate the price to the product suppliers.
And monopsony/oligopsony is just a step away from monopoly/oligopoly...and dictating prices to consumers.
To echo Kae'Yoss somewhat, I can't wrap my head around the idea that to prevent online retailers to become a monopsony (and yay! A new term), we should prevent them from competing fairly. And by competing fairly, I mean allowing Amazon.Com to pass on the lower price they get the books for (by using volume or the fact that they get distributor prices) on to the customer. That's basically price-fixing, which is a Bad Thing for the consumers.
It also confuses me that some of the companies that are the most vocal about the "evil" of Amazon.Com and other on-line retailers (but yeah, it's pretty much amazon) due to the damage they inflict on B&M stores tend to also be the most vocal proponents of books in PDF form. Sure, at this point, PDFs are such a small market that they don't really hurt B&M much, but if they -do- become a Big Thing, they'll do much, much more damage to FLGS than online-sellers ever will, for rather obvious reasons. So.. if B&M stores are such a vital, inherent need of the hobby as a whole, why promote the sale of PDFs so aggressively?
bardsandsages said:This thread has spun in a completely different direction! But to pick up on this point, B&M stores need to help themselves. There use to be no less than four shops within a 15 mile radius of me, only about a half hour drive in any direction. I have stopped shopping in them long ago. Here are a few reasons why:
I'm a female, professional who like to game. When I walk into a store, I don't want to be gawked at by some 18 year old cashier chewing on his tongue ring while leaning over a counter with a copy of Maxim in plain view. I consider myself pretty average looking to begin with, and I certain am not walking into the shop wearing anything remotely gawkworthy. I don't want to be looked at like a piece of meat.
When I go into a shop, I don't want to be stepping on doritoes and puddles of spilt soda that haven't been cleaned up. This is a business, not you're mother's basement. If you aren't gonna keep the carpet clean, pull it up and put in tile. Dust once in a while.
Many of them are built like closets, not shops. The aisles are so small you have to rub up against people to get around. You can't browse when you have people constantly bumping into you to get around.
Poor selection. Most ONLY carry WoTC, White Wolf, and maybe two or three other publishers. For that, I can sit in my pajamas at home and order from Amazon.
Poor service. Cashiers are generally bored or disinterested in doing anything other than giving you change, and even then they drag their feet.
Over the last few years, all four of the shops have closed down. I don't believe ANY of the closing had to do with a deflating of the RPG community, but had to do with all of the above.
I hear ya, but in my experience, which, of course, is merely anecdotal, those shops have mostly either closed or improved. But even the shops with good service, clean floors and whatnot are suffering. Stocking many lines is still an issue, but the thing here is that doing so often hurts the store more than it helps. People -want- the store to offer lots of choice, but most people don't -buy- lots of different lines, and those unsold books hurt the bottom line a lot, so it's a lose-lose situation.
Myself, I don't really care if all FLGS close. They do me absolutely no direct good, so paying higher prices to help them out makes no direct sense. The solution for the hobby as a whole (which I'd qualify as indirect good for myself) is not to artificially keep them in business, but to replace the good they do with something else. The Internet has replaced many functions they used to have, and there's no reason why other ways of promoting the hobbies can't be found.