What's the difference between D20 Fantasy and D&D?

[BroccoliRage]

Wow, that's taking offense at a term to a new level ...

/M

Well, it didn't used to be that way, but there are lots of folks just wauiting to start a fight. And also, if you compare the size of, say, ENWorld, to that of Dragonsfoot, you can tell that the resources for supporting d20 are in much more abundance.

3e products are often reviewed however, with conversion notes and all that. Sure, you get some folks who wont give anything authored under that system a fair chance, but that definitely isn't all of us. The elimination of 3e threads occurs because there are plenty d20 resources as opposed to OOP resources out there on the web, and because many of the folks posting are just looking to start fights in regards to 3e. And at DF, thats been dont to DEATH and all of the regulars are pretty tired of it.

Clarify a bit?

 

[Maggan]

And at DF, thats been dont to DEATH and all of the regulars are pretty tired of it.

Heh, I can sympathise with that feeling.

/M

 

[BroccoliRage]

Heh, I can sympathise with that feeling.

/M

Somehow, I figured you could!

 

[teitan]

Topics discussing 3e are not allowed at DF, and are locked and deleted almost immediately. What threads were you reading?

Hmmm, there is an Expedition to Castle Greyhawk thread going right now and the D&D cartoon thread just to name two threads in the general forum. Both threads discuss 3e and are very insulting to 3e players and mechanics. One guy refers to Sean Reynolds as the least liked designer in the business even though he is/was very popular! Every time 3e comes up its a bunch of insults against the system and players.

 

[teitan]

Just to go on record, I love DF and read the threads everyday. I still run the occasional 1e game and have been debating on a campaign with 1e and some modifications based on how 3e does them like unarmed combat and tripping rules and miniatures. I like 1e and 3e equally but I like 3e as a player and 1e as a DM and player. Just wanted to clarify I am not some DF hater, I really like 99% of the people on there, I just think they are misinformed or ill educated as to what 3e really is in a lot of cases based on my reading of some of their interpretations like the people who think Eberron is steampunk. They just look at something and ASSUME its one thing when it is another.

 

[Mark CMG]

Every time 3e comes up its a bunch of insults against the system and players.

Well, some people made the switch to 3.5 and simply get annoyed when people bring up 3e. I'm not one of them but I can understand how the general populace of DF might feel that wa-



What's that, then?



oh, i see . . .

 

[PapersAndPaychecks]

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Look, teitan, using emotive language like "ridiculous" and "snobbish" to characterise someone who takes a different view to you is counterproductive and more than a little confrontational.

I do understand that WOTC own the brand name "D&D" and are entitled to use it. I realise that. Equally, I don't have to agree that 3.x is D&D; by my standards, it isn't. I get to decide what I call it.

So the challenge is to come up with an alternative name for 3.x that isn't offensive or denigrating. I've always gone with "d20 fantasy" because I thought it was clear and descriptive and didn't contain any value judgments.

Having learned from this thread, I shall henceforth call it "WOTC fantasy roleplaying."

 

[BroccoliRage]

Hmmm, there is an Expedition to Castle Greyhawk thread going right now and the D&D cartoon thread just to name two threads in the general forum. Both threads discuss 3e and are very insulting to 3e players and mechanics. One guy refers to Sean Reynolds as the least liked designer in the business even though he is/was very popular! Every time 3e comes up its a bunch of insults against the system and players.

Okay, one person doesn't like Sean Reynolds and most people feel that a product like expedition to castle greyhawk being made without any real input from Gygax is not going to come out well. And? I think, teitan, you are very sensitive. Why don't you post at DF and tell folks you like 3e? You may very well be shocked how many will agree with you. They just take the 3e discussion to other boards, like ENWorld. Trust me, there are other strictly grognard websites you could compare us too and you'd be shocked. DF is really tame, and a pretty close knit, knowledgable, and friendly crowd, to tell the truth/

You can't hold what a few folks say or think against the community at large; by such reasoning, racism is acceptable. Besides, if you want to read GOOD things about d20, come to ENWorld, a site devoted to d20! If I wanted to read good reviews of Warhammer Fantasy, I wouldn't go to Chaosium's site, If I was interested in what folks though of Gamma World I wouldn't travel over to White Wolf. Think of it.

Edition Warz(tm) really aren't tolerated at DF. Such threads get locked and/or deleted. Just because something slipped through the cracks doesn't mean anything.

 

[teitan]

Again, it comes across as snobbish because you refuse to acknowledge it as D&D. You are treating it like a second class game by refusing to call it by its name. I don't find it insulting, I find it snobbish and ridiculous. I laugh at it, that means it is ridiculous. I'm not insulting you, I'm being honest. I have never seen someone struggle so hard to prove an invalid point.

I accept it doesn't feel like D&D to you, but like I said it is like saying the Star Wars prequels aren't Star Wars just because you don't like them compared to the originals. Its like saying the Spider-man movies aren't about Spider-man because he has organic web shooters.

 

[teitan]

Okay, one person doesn't like Sean Reynolds and most people feel that a product like expedition to castle greyhawk being made without any real input from Gygax is not going to come out well. And? I think, teitan, you are very sensitive. Why don't you post at DF and tell folks you like 3e? You may very well be shocked how many will agree with you. They just take the 3e discussion to other boards, like ENWorld. Trust me, there are other strictly grognard websites you could compare us too and you'd be shocked. DF is really tame, and a pretty close knit, knowledgable, and friendly crowd, to tell the truth/

You can't hold what a few folks say or think against the community at large; by such reasoning, racism is acceptable. Besides, if you want to read GOOD things about d20, come to ENWorld, a site devoted to d20! If I wanted to read good reviews of Warhammer Fantasy, I wouldn't go to Chaosium's site, If I was interested in what folks though of Gamma World I wouldn't travel over to White Wolf. Think of it.

Edition Warz(tm) really aren't tolerated at DF. Such threads get locked and/or deleted. Just because something slipped through the cracks doesn't mean anything.

I do post on DF and I do say I like 3e on DF... I'm Valadriel on the DF forums. I also know DF is tame, its why I post there but I also stand by my opinion. Like I said, I like DF, its a great place to hang and just talk about D&D, whatever edition as long as you remain rule neutral but its the few grognards that make it look really, really bad at times and the TETSNBN stuff is ridiculous, but at least it recognizes that it is an edition, unlike statements like D20 or D20 Fantasy. I mean heck, I'd take D20D&D.

And the comment about the guy with Sean Reynolds was an example of the ill educated opinions being expressed as facts on DF, which does occur on every forum but something like that speaks basement dwelling troglodyte to me if the guy hadn't posted so intelligently in other places and I didn't usually enjoy most of his posts.