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Steampunkette

Rules Tinkerer and Freelance Writer
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Every piece of media is a sermon on something.
given your name, I assume you are a woman you ever dealt with dogged "nice guys" who think love is earned or entitled? it is one of the largest transmission vectors as it existed for decades it basic formula spreads that idea, watch them again with this in mind and you will see.
I know a surprising amount about the nature of love despite lacking the ability to truly feel it as it can only be given.
... yeah, no.

Take a look at Deathstalker, sometime, or pretty much any action or action-fantasy or really any kind of movie from Big Trouble in Little China on down to Zoolander and you'll see guys getting girls just "Because" especially in the Comedies. Romcoms are not responsible for "Nice Guys".

Heck, in -many- movies before 2000 grabbing a woman and forcing a kiss onto her was considered "Romantic" or "Hot" rather than sexual assault. INCLUDING Big Trouble in Little China. Remember Revenge of the Nerds where Lewis Skulnik commits rape by fraud and it's lauded as heroic and romantic? Where the victim is just surprised he's so good at it and he replies that jocks have sex but nerds -think- about it and that makes them better at it? Yeeeeeah... That kind of drivel is where it's from.

Further: Guys tend to avoid Romcoms as "Chick Flicks". Or, at least, did in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s. My social circle of guys shrank a bit after that point.

Nah. The idea that love is earned through a single romantic or important act doesn't come from Romcoms, where they characters flirt and interact for the majority of the runtime. It comes from "Save the World, Get the Girl" mindsets. One big gesture and then you're in a relationship forever.
 

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D&D and Mood Rings. If they let me tell your alignment just by looking at your ring. They would be about as accurate as the system we use for alignment now.

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We could argue about what colors to use where.
how is lawful good true good and chaotic evil true evil, clearly pure good is neutral good?
... yeah, no.

Take a look at Deathstalker, sometime, or pretty much any action or action-fantasy or really any kind of movie from Big Trouble in Little China on down to Zoolander and you'll see guys getting girls just "Because" especially in the Comedies. Romcoms are not responsible for "Nice Guys".

Heck, in -many- movies before 2000 grabbing a woman and forcing a kiss onto her was considered "Romantic" or "Hot" rather than sexual assault. INCLUDING Big Trouble in Little China. Remember Revenge of the Nerds where Lewis Skulnik commits rape by fraud and it's lauded as heroic and romantic? Where the victim is just surprised he's so good at it and he replies that jocks have sex but nerds -think- about it and that makes them better at it? Yeeeeeah... That kind of drivel is where it's from.

Further: Guys tend to avoid Romcoms as "Chick Flicks". Or, at least, did in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s. My social circle of guys shrank a bit after that point.

Nah. The idea that love is earned through a single romantic or important act doesn't come from Romcoms, where they characters flirt and interact for the majority of the runtime. It comes from "Save the World, Get the Girl" mindsets. One big gesture and then you're in a relationship forever.
fair but it is only that so you can't even tune it out and focus on action, I hate romance forced into a plot, besides if I had it my way it would be exorcised from every movie that ever was, is or will be.
 

Steampunkette

Rules Tinkerer and Freelance Writer
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fair but it is only that so you can't even tune it out and focus on action, I hate romance forced into a plot, besides if I had it my way it would be exorcised from every movie that ever was, is or will be.
I think therein lies the real rub. It isn't a question of Romcom morality... just that you particularly hate romance.

That said, there's actually some good reasons to hate Romcoms a couple of times enumerated by my favorite foursome.


 

aco175

Legend
how is lawful good true good and chaotic evil true evil, clearly pure good is neutral good?
It is just a picture I clipped. I did not even notice it was listed as true, my mind just put in what I thought is should have been in that moment.

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I think therein lies the real rub. It isn't a question of Romcom morality... just that you particularly hate romance.

That said, there's actually some good reasons to hate Romcoms a couple of times enumerated by my favorite foursome.


hate is not the right word bitterness and envy are closer as it is knowledge I can't know or gain and that makes me displeased.
I dislike it's over prevalence in movies and it often feels superfluous to the plot and should be cut, I dislike romance being overvalued when comradery is often forgotten and agape is all but extinct.

humorously you liked the clips which started my journey to my present perception what a coincidence.
It is just a picture I clipped. I did not even notice it was listed as true, my mind just put in what I thought is should have been in that moment.

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it is a common problem, no harm done so no worries.
D&D plus 7up.

It will be a tie in with the rod of the7 parts
well, john 117 is on bottles of pop so it might work.
 

Steampunkette

Rules Tinkerer and Freelance Writer
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hate is not the right word bitterness and envy are closer as it is knowledge I can't know or gain and that makes me displeased.
I dislike it's over prevalence in movies and it often feels superfluous to the plot and should be cut, I dislike romance being overvalued when comradery is often forgotten and agape is all but extinct.

humorously you liked the clips which started my journey to my present perception what a coincidence.
"I cannot know or gain love"

What do you mean by this? Is there some reason you're utterly unloveable, somehow? Incapable of being loved by anyone in a romantic fashion?
 

"I cannot know or gain love"

What do you mean by this? Is there some reason you're utterly unloveable, somehow? Incapable of being loved by anyone in a romantic fashion?
how do I translate it, I can not be given something as I can not attract I lack any trait to spark it nor will I ever be able to gain them.
I do not love anything I do not bond properly, I can care greatly but normally hate is all that can be summoned I lack the love of anything the wiring is no longer there.
then you get into what I am, all I see are errors and therapy does not seem to correct this, as it is my values conflict with my actions and I do not change so the conflict is eternal, plus I am depressing and basically worth less than human sweat as that has useful salts.
besides, I know exactly how far I have to fall it is hard to not be evil when you were made to serve it.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Mod Note:
Folks,

This conversation has taken a turn that is making some folks distinctly uncomfortable. If you're not going to talk about a pitch like the OP asked, it is time to take your discussion out of this thread. Thanks.
 


I generally go for the good stuff, because you just plain get a better cocktail. The exception is that as I get more into cocktails of the 70s and 80s, I will generally go with Seagram's blended whiskey, because something like that is what they likely would've been using at the time. Heck, the 7&7 specifically calls for Seagram's 7.

Well spirits? NEVER!

Not only do I always go call to get the premium stuff ... but we are talking TOP SHELF, BABY!

Well spirits are for people who lack the self-esteem to booze right.

I could totally see this working. I'd probably take the optional Honor stat and rename it Status.

The funny thing is, one of the first things I saw about D&D Next in action was a blog using it to run a Downtown Abbey-inspired campaign.

D&D plus Jane Austenesque Regency romantic comedy of manners, on the other hand, would be glorious.
 


Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I generally go for the good stuff, because you just plain get a better cocktail. The exception is that as I get more into cocktails of the 70s and 80s, I will generally go with Seagram's blended whiskey, because something like that is what they likely would've been using at the time. Heck, the 7&7 specifically calls for Seagram's 7.

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Steampunkette

Rules Tinkerer and Freelance Writer
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The reason I went MCU thing is simple: To make a truly great fantasy film you need to blend things together. Take Star Wars for example.

Not the modern ones, or the prequels, not even Empire or Jedi. But actual honest to god Star Wars. New Hope, 4, whatever subtitle you want to slap onto it after the fact. Star. Wars.

You've got a Spy introduction. Then it turns into a coming of age story. Then a prison break. Then a WW2 movie centered around La Resistance. All of it wrapped up in Sci Fi and Fantasy, together.

And when I say "War Movie" I'm talking Tora Tora Tora and stuff. I'm talking situation rooms and maps and intimate close-up shots inside cockpits and spectacle shots of fast-moving vehicles swooping over the landscape and dogfighting.

All the while aping The Hidden Fortress, a Japanese film from '58 in which two bumbling peasants wind up being the key to rescuing a princess and saving a failing Rebellion.

Star Wars is not a film that Lucas came up with whole-cloth to hit a set of specific notes, filmed in a single consistent style, and presented whole as a monolithic piece. Star Wars is four or five different movies and styles pressed together into one harmonious whole (largely thanks to ridiculous quantities of editing).

Compare that to the D&D Movie we got with Irons. The setting and story were both created whole-cloth, a monolithic shooting style was chosen, and what weight the movie had was lost both to terrible CGI and a convoluted attempt to make a "Fantasy Epic" out of literally nothing. And the only thing that made it -remotely- D&D was the Beholder (which was treated like a guard dog instead of a terrifying monster) and a few spell-references here and there.

Strip the name "Dungeons and Dragons" off it and it would've been largely interchangeable with a ton of other late 90s through 2000s schlocky fantasy flicks and B-movies except people would've gone "Oh, hey... they had enough budget to get some famous people in it..."

Do -more- with D&D than "Fantasy Movie" and it'll make bank by standing out from the crowd.
 




doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
We've seen D&D + Clue, D&D + Monopoly, and D&D + Magic the Gathering. The time is ripe for the biggest D&D gaming crossover of them all:

D&D + D&D

A D&D themed version of D&D. It's a sure-fired winner!
You jest, but…

I’m not sure that a “isekai” style D&D adventure where you start as players starting a campaign and turn sucked into the world of the game wouldn’t sell.
 

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