D&D General When Players Refuse to learn The Rules

[Stephen Shomo]

I try to meet players on their terms.

 

[Ancalagon]

This isn't about WotC dumbing down, it's about many game designers dumbing down their own rules. Read what I wrote. Check out the Alexandrian Twitter. Low rules players entering the game is an issue, whether you see it or not.

You know the saying "pics or it didn't happen?"

Link or it didn't happen. You seem to believe that you are making a very important point, and you very well may be! So, like the players who learn the rules of their spells, you have to do a bit more effort to help us see what you are speaking about.

"you don't have the time" or "you can't find it" are no excuses. If you can't, why should we be expected to?

 

[Stalker0]

Not sure, but I try to keep this in mind now when choosing a system. Maybe because the base is 8 instead of 10? Honestly I would prefer if instead of spell saves creatures got a "spell defense" stat, and the player had to make an attack roll. From the players' point of view, everything else in the game is ' you want to do this? ok, roll d20 and add x' except when a monster needs to make a saving throw

Aka 4th edition’s defensives.

i think the reason we went back is spells tend to have bigger effects, and players like to have thst illusion of control by rolling the dice for their fate (even if mechanically its completely the same there is a comfort in your fate = your roll)

 

[Remathilis]

I have a player who plays 5e in my group because that's what I run, but he much prefers Pathfinder 1e and runs that in his own game. Because of that, he has limited interest in learning 5e and when he doesn't know the nuance of a rule he assumes it's that same as PF and uses the rule wrong. This is a huge problem when it comes to things like holding your action in initiative or remembering what creatures can't be critted.

 

[Marc_C]

The capacity to learn new things go down as you age. I used to have near perfect knowledge of 2nd rules. I will probably neve attain that level of rule mastery with 5e.

The guy was in his early 30s. He was just lazy.

 

[Thomas Shey]

You should read on up how Anderson ran the game...

How individual GMs did things doesn't change my statement.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I have a player who plays 5e in my group because that's what I run, but he much prefers Pathfinder 1e and runs that in his own game. Because of that, he has limited interest in learning 5e and when he doesn't know the nuance of a rule he assumes it's that same as PF and uses the rule wrong. This is a huge problem when it comes to things like holding your action in initiative or remembering what creatures can't be critted.

Some of the worst cases of conflating rules is when you're familiar with a very similar but not identical rules set. In a case like you mention that just means they should take extra effort, though.

 

[Aging Bard]

You know the saying "pics or it didn't happen?"

Link or it didn't happen. You seem to believe that you are making a very important point, and you very well may be! So, like the players who learn the rules of their spells, you have to do a bit more effort to help us see what you are speaking about.

"you don't have the time" or "you can't find it" are no excuses. If you can't, why should we be expected to?

What about "check the Alexandrian twitter" do you not understand? If you insist on specific posted links, you are lazy and basic. I'm not here to do your homework for you. Do you not get Google? It's not hard. Make an effort.

 

[Aging Bard]

I read what you wrote. It was a bunch of sweeping assertions with zero specifics. And I'm not trolling though some Twitter feed on your say-so; if I wanted to read Twitter, I'd be there, not here.

If you would like to discuss something, you could at least do everyone the courtesy of posting a link to the specific thing you want to discuss.

You are lazy and basic. I told you where to look. Learn how to use Google. You don't have to be on Twitter. I'm not. You can still read Tweets.

 

[MGibster]

In the words of Bill and Ted, "Be excellent to each other."

To paraphrase Mystery Science Theater 3000

Just repeat to yourself it's just a game/
I should really just relax!