D&D General When Players Refuse to learn The Rules

[billd91]

Someone around here won’t be an Aging EnWorld Poster if he doesn’t bone up on board rules.

 

[Malmuria]

You know the saying "pics or it didn't happen?"

Link or it didn't happen. You seem to believe that you are making a very important point, and you very well may be! So, like the players who learn the rules of their spells, you have to do a bit more effort to help us see what you are speaking about.

"you don't have the time" or "you can't find it" are no excuses. If you can't, why should we be expected to?

I think they are referring to this tweet:


which I think prompted this reply (among many others)



Though I interpreted the discussion less about simplicity in games and more about a whether a designer should playtest their game RAW to make sure the game works rather than keep changing things on the fly.

 

[billd91]

I think they are referring to this tweet:

If that's the case, it doesn't really report that game designers don't care about play testing their own rules, does it?

 

[Malmuria]

If that's the case, it doesn't really report that game designers don't care about play testing their own rules, does it?

I don't think so? I try to follow game design twitter, but a lot of the time it just reads to me like this:

 

[Ancalagon]

You are lazy and basic. I told you where to look. Learn how to use Google. You don't have to be on Twitter. I'm not. You can still read Tweets.

This isn't how this works.

YOU made an argument invoking a twitter post. YOU are the one trying to convince US that you are correct about this.

Look, other posters have dug up a tweet, and they aren't sure if it's the right one. It looks like it's not clear which tweet you are speaking about. So make the effort, please.

 

[pming]

Oh yes....
I had one such player who justified it by "its your job as GM to translate what I do into rules".

Well, to be perfectly honest...that kind of is a DM's job. Basically. HOWEVER....

But, and here's the kicker, I've found that if I think rule that is "unfavourable" to what the Player envisioned... the Player tends to either continuously complain (which results in "Dude, it's been a thing. Don't come back next week. Or ever"...but in nicer words ), or the Player takes it upon himself or herself to read the rule and rules related to it, then point to it in the books(s) and say "See?! YOU were WRONG!". Which is fine...I was wrong on purpose, so that the Player would do this, he/she just didn't realize it (and yes, I've had both male and female broken-players before that fell into this "mindset" a bit too much...don't worry, they're fixed now. ).

I don't mind it, the whole "not knowing the rules" too much...overall. What chaffs my knickers is when the game is complex...or at least, more complex than others (re: Powers & Perils [although it's simple once you understand it], Rolemaster, Pathfinder, Synnibarr [yes, THAT Synnibarr], HERO System [again, core rules...simple...getting everything 'built' for the first game though?....UGH!!!!], Living Steel, Exalted, Jorune, etc).

The Player that is one of those...rare gems... that absolutely refuses to even read what their character's abilities, skills, etc can even DO? No excuse and I don't have time to waste on them.

^_^

Paul L. Ming

 

[Umbran]

If you insist on specific posted links, you are lazy and basic. I'm not here to do your homework for you. Do you not get Google? It's not hard. Make an effort.

You are lazy and basic. I told you where to look. Learn how to use Google.

Mod Note:
1) The burden of proof lies with the one who makes the assertion - the form, "I am correct, you can go look it up," is not functional rhetoric....

2) More importantly, you've stooped to the point of personal insults. If that's the kind of discussion you enjoy, do it on some other site. That's not acceptable here. To make that clear, you are done in this thread. Please find another discussion that inspires you to be better.

 

[Morrus]

You are lazy and basic.

And you are rude and hostile. Don’t post again in this thread, please.

 

[Stephen Shomo]

"The curse of knowledge is a cognitive bias according to which better-informed people find it extremely difficult to think about problems from the perspective of lesser-informed people."

 

[Grendel_Khan]

Yes. Being a player can take some effort. Kudos for putting the effort in. What I am irked by is players that can't be bothered. To them it is a passive consumption entertainment like TV or "casual" video game. I think that's disrespectful to the GM and other players who do put in the effort.

This sounds less like an issue of players not being bothered about rules, and more about playing with people who shouldn't be playing. Unless you're running a con game or something just kick these bums to the curb!