When to roll initiative?

[Norfleet]

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who sleeps with a weapon ready to strike?

Depends on how you define "ready to strike", I suppose. I sleep with a loaded pistol in hand, does that count?

 

[Hypersmurf]

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Gloves of Storing baby!

'course, if you lose initiative, you don't get to activate them before the chance to make the AoO has already come and gone...

-Hyp.

 

[dcollins]

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and since they are helpless, they don't get an AoO. who sleeps with a weapon ready to strike?

No one said anything about an AOO... everyone agrees in a surprise round they're both helpless and flatfooted. The question is, do they possibly wake up (with some kind of skill check) and take a regular attack (and/or thereby become non-helpless).

Moreover, in the other thread that started this question, there were non-sleeping allies around trying to guard the sleeper, so if they detect they attack they should get a chance to strike back.

I can't quite see somebody being awakened by a part of a CDG. That's the part where the attacker simply is lining his weapon up.

There's no particular reason to believe that. I would presume that in the first half, a bystander might see the beginning of a puncture mark or a line of blood as the piercing/slashing weapon starts to dig in. (Other narratives possible for other weapon types.) I think that's a recurring scene in a lot of horror or dramatic films, for example.

 

[Hypersmurf]

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There's no particular reason to believe that. I would presume that in the first half, a bystander might see the beginning of a puncture mark or a line of blood as the piercing/slashing weapon starts to dig in. (Other narratives possible for other weapon types.)

Go on, do Bludgeoning!

(Actually, the only one I can think of off-hand is in Braveheart, where Wallace kills Mornay with the flail... the 'preparation' partial action in the surprise round wakes Mornay up, but he loses initiative, and Wallace kills him in round 1... but since Mornay was awake, he's no longer helpless, so it wasn't a CDG any more.)

-Hyp.