D&D 4E Where was 4e headed before it was canned?

[Garthanos]

magic fails far more often in my experience than Skill rule usage.

I do not believe you

 

[lowkey13]

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[Parmandur]

When the answer is oh do that free from you dont need options ... call it what you want

When your options are limited only by your imagination, you have options.

 

[Garthanos]

This is counter-intuitive: if Magic was freeform as well, it would be unlimited in power and scope.

Free-form = power in D&D.

NO it isnt free-form is limited to things of extremity and awesome less than magic.

"Magic is more powerful" - The number of times I have heard DMs cite that is extraordinary since magic is the defintition of extreme.

Why else would it be limited by resource management

 

[Parmandur]

I do not believe you

Believe or not, my magic characters fail all the time in 5E, usually spectacularly, while my martial characters pull off amazing feats while being unstoppable murder machines.

 

[Garthanos]

As I have only been saying that 5e appears to allow more freeform style of play, you seem to now be ANGRILY agreeing with me ... so, good?

I am saying it deprives martial types of anything but that freeform... but mages they get the same skill free form but also well defined other options.

 

[Parmandur]

NO it isnt free-form is limited to things of extremity and awesome less than magic.

"Magic is more powerful" - The number of times I have heard DMs cite that is extraordinary since magic is the defintition of extreme.

Why else would it be limited by resource management

It is limited to make it limited: if magic was free-form it would be more powerful. If Martial stuff was limited, it would be more limited. As it is free-form, it is more powerful than it would otherwise be.

 

[Garthanos]

When your options are limited only by your imagination, you have options.

Only the options your dm allows "at-will"

 

[Parmandur]

I am saying it deprives martial types of anything but that freeform... but mages they get the same skill free form but also well defined other options.

Martials have extremely well defined options for killing things quite dead with no resource management, in addition to free-form skill usage.

 

[lowkey13]

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