Who's your favorite Villain?

Alfred Bester (Babylon 5) ranks as my all time favorite villain of all time. He was such an interesting character that you could almost sympathize with now and again, but then he'd do something and you'd want to throw something through the tv at him.

As an aside I had the pleasure of selling a statue to Walter Koenig, and was able to speak to him briefly about the Bester role. He said it was one of his favorite roles to do from his career.
 

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Take this to a grander scale and you could have a villain that architects the economic collapse of an entire nation, making it much easier for a neighbor to control it. Depending on your group, this could be a very interesting villain especially if he's doing everything legally. If not your group's style, it could make for a great backdrop for a campaign.

It happens in the House of Nicolo series by Dorothy Dunnett. Not for conquest or control, but on a bet.

Spoiler: By the hero.
 

If we could reach into the real world for a bit, someone like Bernie Madoff could make a fantastic villain. This is a person who out of sheer greed stole an incredible amount of money from a LOT of people..

Here are a few modern real world villains that would translate into certain D&D campaigns:

- J. Edgar Hoover.
- E. Howard Hunt.
- Carlos the Jackal.
- Blackwater, USA.
- Erick Mona.
- Gary Buce.
- Osama bin Laden.
- Kayne West.
- Pastor Terry Jones.

To name a few.

They don't rule any nation (that's a different list -- watch out Stephen Harper), but had some level of villainous or dou**b*g qualities.

C.I.D.
 

If we could reach into the real world for a bit, someone like Bernie Madoff could make a fantastic villain. This is a person who out of sheer greed stole an incredible amount of money from a LOT of people..

Here are a few modern real world villains that would translate into certain D&D campaigns:

- J. Edgar Hoover.
- E. Howard Hunt.
- Carlos the Jackal.
- Blackwater, USA.
- Erick Mona.
- Gary Busey.
- Osama bin Laden.
- Kayne West.
- Pastor Terry Jones.

To name a few.

They don't rule any nation (that's a different list -- watch out Stephen Harper), but had some level of villainous or infamous qualities.

C.I.D.
 



Archibald Cunningham and Delores Umbridge are good calls but my favorite is probably the iconic villain of western culture: Satan. For me it's as portrayed by Jon Glover in "Brimstone". He was the trickster, dealmaker and manipulator who gave hints that he was once much different (or at least thought he was). He was sneaky evil, not a caricature.
 

Sorry for the late reply here, but I have much less free time these days.

Because if it is provoked, that makes it okay?

The bigger point that I was trying to make is that the so-called "good" guys in Star Wars tend to be just as evil (if not more evil than) the designated "bad" guys. If the Empire is going to be seen as evil because of the Alderaan incident, the Rebellion is just as guilty for the Endor Holocaust. There are many other instances of this if you pay close attention to the rest of the films, and stop giving the Rebels/Jedi a free pass because they're the side you want to win.

Nice devil's advocate sophistry, but that whole "magical power through embracing anger and hatred, encouraging others to do so to gain his own ends" the viewer sees kinda puts a ding in it, if you step away from the press releases :)

While it is true that the Emperor advocates embracing anger and hatred, I don't believe that he does so for reasons of pure evil, as the Jedi side of things would have you believe. Rather, Palpatine has learned to embrace the whole of the force and take strength from all of creation. Where the Jedi can never truly be at peace with the universe because they refuse to accept anything they view as dark or unclean, Palpatine has learned to truly be one with everything, and has mastered (or at least attempted) a state of harmony that no Jedi could even dream of.

When Palpatine attempts to get Luke to cross over, he is not trying to turn Luke evil. Rather, he is attempting open Luke's eyes to a greater understanding of the force. Palpatine is trying to awaken the kwizach haderach by making Luke turn to the dark place that terrifies the Bene Gesserit; he is Buffy teaching Kendra the strength that comes from emotions; he is the first Green Lantern able to face the color yellow, and must teach the others to face fear and overcome it (rather than live without it) to triumph over their greatest weakness. Palpatine uses terms like "the dark side" and "hatred" to do this because those are the only terms Luke knows to embody that which he does not know.

Because of this zen-like acceptance that Palpatine has found, it is clear that he is the only character in the entire trilogy who actually tried to bring balance to the force. The Jedi claim to want balance in the force, but this is a blatant lie when you consider their philosophy; how can you have balance in the universe if you refuse to accept parts of it? Palpatine was even willing to die for this cause, too. After all, didn't he encourage Luke to strike him down, knowing that once Luke had embraced all of his emotions that Luke would finally become the real chosen one from the prophecies?

The real bottom line here is that everything Palpatine has done, from replacing a useless form of government, to overthrowing the oppressive religious regime, to trying to balance the force, are all acts done for the good of the galaxy.
 

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