Why are you still here?

[Arnwyn]

So you're not laughing at them, you're just laughing at things they like? Your post called WotC reasons for the changes "excuses", and mentioned laughing so hard you couldn't catch your breath - because you're happy with 3.5? I really don't follow.

Edit: Oh yeah, and "competly zany-wonky bonkers with clown feet" sounds rather more anti-4E than pro-3.5.

Geez, Jeff. How dare you and your wife privately laugh at things you consider funny. Bloody elitists! There's serious stuff going on out here in teh intarwebs.

Those after-work walks are over!

 

[Delta]

Why are you still here? I don't mean on ENWorld, just the 4th Edition subforum.

Professional curiousity.

 

[Moonshade]

To me, it seems that 90% of the news involve the addition of things I would probably not enjoy or the removal of old elements that I did enjoy. I'll give 4E a try if someone is willing to DM an easy session, but the more I hear about it the more I come to feel that it will not be the kind of game I want to devote time and energy to. I come here to glance at the threads and see where D&D is going. By now I consider it very unlikely that I would change my mind about whether 4E is for me, but since this been my hobby for ten years it's tough to let go. Basically, I'm here to decide whether I still care enough about D&D and its current direction to buy the PHB instead of waiting to borrow it from a 4E player.

 

[BryonD]

Gamer elitism makes me sad. Why do we have to laugh at people who play games slightly differently than we do?

You know, when person after person directly states that they are actively endorsing a reduction in both complexity and realism, it is really hard to see that as "slightly differently". 4E is openly calling for a lower standard on both sides of the equation.

I think it is like if you went to a bunch of little leaguers and told them that they would have more fun playing Tee-ball. It isn't elitism for them to be insulted and say that they'd prefer to stay with pitchers. There is a difference between saying "you Tee-ball players are losers" and saying "I want to play a more demanding game and would find a less demanding game unsatisfying".

For all I know simplification may be the greatest thing to ever happen to D&D and Hollywood will collapse because families across America stop watching TV and gather around the game table four nights a week. But that is unrelated to saying that having a pitcher throw the ball is more than a slight difference, and I prefer it that way.

 

[Fifth Element]

Geez, Jeff. How dare you and your wife privately laugh at things you consider funny. Bloody elitists!

Posting on ENWorld = private?

 

[Fifth Element]

You know, when person after person directly states that they are actively endorsing a reduction in both complexity and realism, it is really hard to see that as "slightly differently". 4E is openly calling for a lower standard on both sides of the equation.

Slightly differently in the sense of they're both RPGs. The differences between 3.5 and 4E are miniscule compared to the differences between, say, D&D 3.5 and Settlers. Both are games, and both groups who play them are gamers.

Considering how much flack RPGers take from outside the hobby, it always surprises me how easily we turn on each other. "You want a simpler rule set? I laugh at you!"

 

[Wormwood]

Considering how much flack RPGers take from outside the hobby, it always surprises me how easily we turn on each other.

Three words:

fandom, fandom, fandom.

 

[hong]

I'm here because I've done all the solo content in Guild Wars.

 

[BryonD]

Slightly differently in the sense of they're both RPGs. The differences between 3.5 and 4E are miniscule compared to the differences between, say, D&D 3.5 and Settlers. Both are games, and both groups who play them are gamers.

Considering how much flack RPGers take from outside the hobby, it always surprises me how easily we turn on each other. "You want a simpler rule set? I laugh at you!"

Turn it around then. Quit telling us it is unreasonable to want our game the way it is.
But also don't try to say there is no price to the simplification.
Settlers is meaningless to the conversation. The differences between 3.5E and 4E are vast where it counts. What counts is what makes the game rewarding to me.

 

[hong]

You know, when person after person directly states that they are actively endorsing a reduction in both complexity and realism, it is really hard to see that as "slightly differently". 4E is openly calling for a lower standard on both sides of the equation.

You say this like it's a negative thing.