Why Buy?
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Yay for more "D&D is becoming a MMO anime garbage" generalization!
If you don't want to buy the new edition, just don't do it.
Why should I, or for that matter, any other player out there, give you any reason to buy the game? It's not like you're in my gaming group, and it's not like I'm making any money out of 4e.
So really, why buy? I'll probably buy it because the new edition seems to address many of the issues I've had with the game for the past 12 years ( magic item dependency, balance between fighting and casting classes, hopefully nonscaling AC, etc... ), but if 3.5 is fine for you, that's cool.
Even though I think that deciding you won't buy something 8 months away from release, with no idea if it will actually be worth it, is a bit short sighted.
If you don't want to buy the new edition, just don't do it.
Why should I, or for that matter, any other player out there, give you any reason to buy the game? It's not like you're in my gaming group, and it's not like I'm making any money out of 4e.
So really, why buy? I'll probably buy it because the new edition seems to address many of the issues I've had with the game for the past 12 years ( magic item dependency, balance between fighting and casting classes, hopefully nonscaling AC, etc... ), but if 3.5 is fine for you, that's cool.
Even though I think that deciding you won't buy something 8 months away from release, with no idea if it will actually be worth it, is a bit short sighted.
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WhatGravitas
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To be honest, this sentence reads like a heap of elitism. It's like "becoming too mainstream". And that's why you've lost me in the second paragraph.AWizardInDallas said:
However, I partially agree with the first paragraph: D&D v3.5 is a great system, full of variety and with many different and good supplementary material. If it floats your boat, stay with it by all means.
Some dislike the shortcomings of 3E/3.5E, and see these shortcomings fixed in 4E - but one person's shortcomings are another person's minor flaws are another person's advantages.
4E promises development of parts of 3E many dislike, making access to the game easier, probably reducing bookkeeping, and making encounters more dynamic, less forced on the CR/per-day system.
But this doesn't make 3E worse. And probably makes 3E even better for certain people, like you (obviously). In this case, stay with 3E - if you don't like 4E, don't buy it. 3E was a different beast than 2E, and 4E will be a different beast than 3E.
Choose whatever floats your boat - choose 3E, just as other people choose Savage Worlds, storyteller system, or WEG d6. If 3E is your *perfect* game, more power to you!
For me: I like many things about 4E. And I'll buy it, simply to read it - if it turns out to be a great game - that's just the extra gravy. I admit: I'm a gearhead. I tinker, I houserule a lot, I still try to find my *perfect* RPG. And 4E offers me a new resource, even if I just kill it and take its stuff for a homebrew d20. But that's me, not you - and that's perfectly fine. In fact, it's pretty cool that you've found your *perfect* RPG - but I haven't yet, therefore I like to see 4E.
Cheers, LT.
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Kwalish Kid
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I love the amazing insight on WotC doing things that will make money. Well, duh.
NPC, spell, and monster databases are too freely available on the internet. There is really less incentive for a company to turn to those as products.
And yes, more blanket assumptions about anime and WoW.
What I really love, is rather than post another stupid, "I hate the very idea of a new edition thread," which should really be a bannable offense, this clown makes the post on another site and makes people look at the post there.
I vote for the banhammer.
NPC, spell, and monster databases are too freely available on the internet. There is really less incentive for a company to turn to those as products.
And yes, more blanket assumptions about anime and WoW.
What I really love, is rather than post another stupid, "I hate the very idea of a new edition thread," which should really be a bannable offense, this clown makes the post on another site and makes people look at the post there.
I vote for the banhammer.
Wolfspider
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Kwalish Kid said:
I may not always fall on the pro-4.0 side of the equation, but I agree that this post is really a waste of time.
But maybe he only deserves a good pounding.
WayneLigon
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The reason why I, and I suspect quite a lot of people, will buy 4E is simple: while 3E addresses a lot of gaming needs I have, it appears from the previews that 4E will meet many more. I have not yet met a gaming system yet where I felt I could stop and say 'this meets every need I have; I'm done'. In fact, I think that if anyone feels that something can't improve, then they have a case of denial. There is always room for improvement in all things.
I could be wrong; the more substantive previews and highlights that I presume will be coming in the next few months could dampen my desire to purchase it. But if things keep looking up as they are now, I will. From what I've seen, I feel 4E offers better gameplay and will help to untrain a generation of gamers from some of D&D stupider concepts that have unfortunately carried down the years (Vancian magic, as the major one).
I could be wrong; the more substantive previews and highlights that I presume will be coming in the next few months could dampen my desire to purchase it. But if things keep looking up as they are now, I will. From what I've seen, I feel 4E offers better gameplay and will help to untrain a generation of gamers from some of D&D stupider concepts that have unfortunately carried down the years (Vancian magic, as the major one).
WayneLigon
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Kwalish Kid said:
Save for the one sentence where he ascribes unknown motives to WoTC, it's a much more reasoned and civil anti-4E post than the majority of things I've seen here the past few months.
I'm gonna buy it because it's the New Shiny and I ain't afraid to admit it.
I'm going to play it, because, luckily, I'm finding that I'm agreeing with 90% of the changes that have been hinted at (I like what they say their planning, but I don't know if I'll like how they do it).
I'm going to play it, because, luckily, I'm finding that I'm agreeing with 90% of the changes that have been hinted at (I like what they say their planning, but I don't know if I'll like how they do it).
Look, I don't care if you're not going to be playing D&D4, but suddenly you're trying to broaden this sentiment to encompass every gamer of your generation?AWizardInDallas said:
I don't know which generation you belong to (age-wise or gaming-wise). Personally I'm in my fifties, started playing D&D in 1974, have played more versions of D&D than most, and I still look forward to reading through D&D4. I do expect it to be an improvement (based on what I saw in SWSE), but if it's not, I'll just keep using 3.5. But I won't dismiss it until I've seen it.
So maybe that doesn't make me part of "your generation", huh?
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