Why do all the characters die in British TV?

[Fast Learner]

And it also the reason why a lot of fans don't like them that and the way they are written. At any SF con I have been to there has always been a lot of discussion on the series and a lot of SF fans don't like them because of the violence and graphic sex in them.

Yeah, shame about them being disliked by so many yet being nominated and winning so many awards, outselling other fantasy, and having an HBO series based on them. How could that happen with something so many people dislike?

 

[Elf Witch]

They do fairly well over here. Bear in mind you're not the target market. They're designed for British viewers.

The BBC sold the format to a US network so that you guys can have a version targeted at you. I hear that's doing OK, too.

Different products, different markets.

I enjoy a lot of British shows and I am use to the high death rates and cast changes look at season 1 of Primeval and then the last season. I accept it as part of the way they do British TV. I don't want to see that model in my American TV though.

The people saying that the fact that British TV is more deadly has to do with how they do series and how they actors are not locked into long term contracts is absolutely correct.

In the US actors are often locked into long term contracts. All the actors of DS9 had been signed for six years.

I loved Being Human from the pilot up until last season. I may watch the new episodes eventually but I am not in any hurry.

Here is why it is straining my disbelieve, in the original premise you have a werewolf and a vampire two species who really don't get along. Werewolves are considered no more than animals. They want to try being human and embrace that not their monster side.

Now those characters are dead partly because they could not control their monster side. And now conveniently we have two new monsters one werewolf and one vampire who want to live together.

I sometimes think it is better to let a show go when most of the cast want out.

I could be wrong in this case and the show will do well. Maybe starting fresh will revitalize the show.

I just know that for the moment it will not be something I will seek out.

 

[Elf Witch]

Yeah, shame about them being disliked by so many yet being nominated and winning so many awards, outselling other fantasy, and having an HBO series based on them. How could that happen with something so many people dislike?

You do realize that there are hundreds of thousands of SF readers in the world right?

You do realize that the World Con where they give out the Hugo awards have close to 10,000 people attend every year right?

You do realize that even award winning books are not loved by all these fans right?

Do a search here or on CM for threads about the books and you will find that there are people not liking the books.

Go back and read my post I didn't not say the books were unpopular I said that to the fans who don't like them the violence and the graphic sex is often the reason stated why they don't like them.

LOTRs has sold a lot of books and the movies were successful very successful but not all fantasy fans like the books.

 

[Morrus]

I enjoy a lot of British shows and I am use to the high death rates and cast changes look at season 1 of Primeval and then the last season. I accept it as part of the way they do British TV. I don't want to see that model in my American TV though.

The people saying that the fact that British TV is more deadly has to do with how they do series and how they actors are not locked into long term contracts is absolutely correct.

In the US actors are often locked into long term contracts. All the actors of DS9 had been signed for six years.

I loved Being Human from the pilot up until last season. I may watch the new episodes eventually but I am not in any hurry.

Here is why it is straining my disbelieve, in the original premise you have a werewolf and a vampire two species who really don't get along. Werewolves are considered no more than animals. They want to try being human and embrace that not their monster side.

Now those characters are dead partly because they could not control their monster side. And now conveniently we have two new monsters one werewolf and one vampire who want to live together.

I sometimes think it is better to let a show go when most of the cast want out.

I could be wrong in this case and the show will do well. Maybe starting fresh will revitalize the show.

I just know that for the moment it will not be something I will seek out.

I agree. I think they should have let it go.

 

[Kzach]

Yeah, shame about them being disliked by so many yet being nominated and winning so many awards, outselling other fantasy, and having an HBO series based on them. How could that happen with something so many people dislike?

You're turning her argument into your own strawman. Saying that her observations at a con are that most people she talks to dislike those elements of the show is entirely legitimate and more than likely entirely true.

That doesn't mean those elements are bad or disliked by the majority of viewers, simply by the majority of people she spoke to; whether they are representative of the viewing majority or not is a separate argument. I do suspect, however, given the popularity of the show and its critical success, that they are not.

Even on House they have been known to kill of patients and characters. Most of the time they don't because the focus of the medical part is diagnosing the illness.

I always thought House was a comedy; I certainly laugh my arse off every time I watch it

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Mitchell's death would have been a nice coda.

But what then of the furry baby and the ghost who won't go away? I'm interested in the answers. However, I agree it probably would have been better scriptwriting to not have the storyline continuing with another pair of star-crossed buddies from the two warring factions of fable.

It might have been nifty to see a slumming fey instead of another bloodsucker...

But let's be honest: vampires = $$$

 

[Fast Learner]

You're turning her argument into your own strawman. Saying that her observations at a con are that most people she talks to dislike those elements of the show is entirely legitimate and more than likely entirely true.

That doesn't mean those elements are bad or disliked by the majority of viewers, simply by the majority of people she spoke to; whether they are representative of the viewing majority or not is a separate argument. I do suspect, however, given the popularity of the show and its critical success, that they are not.

Here's the point: some people like some things, some people like other things. Saying "I and people I've talked to don't like this thing" isn't a case for not having that thing, yet that's her argument.

Elf Witch, you don't like it. Check. Can you acknowledge that there are in fact people who do like it? And that there might even be enough of those people to make it a worthy pursuit, like they regularly do on British TV? Or is it simply not something that's reasonably likable and is therefore automatically bad?

 

[Kzach]

I agree. I think they should have let it go.

I both agree and disagree.

I think they should've restarted the series with the current vampire and werewolf characters and actors. I really believe they're both great characters and great actors and if the show is a success from now on, it'll be because of these two and the chemistry they have onscreen.

Honestly, I wasn't that fond of the main characters. As I said before, they were way too whiny. It was all angst and crying and reminded me of a teenage melodrama more than a gritty supernatural TV series exploring the primal nature of human beings.

The new characters, however, are much, MUCH less angsty and melodramatic. In fact, all the melodrama seems entirely centred on the remaining 'original' cast member and she has enough of it to almost be too much to bear already.

The only character I'm really upset about them killing off is Herrick. He was pure awesome.

I'd recommend giving the show a 'fresh' view. Try not to look at it through the lens of the previous seasons and view it as a new show with a similar thread. The new werewolf and vampire characters/actors are worth it, IMO.

 

[Morrus]

Mitchell's death would have been a nice coda.

But what then of the furry baby and the ghost who won't go away? I'm interested in the answers. However, I agree it probably would have been better scriptwriting to not have the storyline continuing with another pair of star-crossed buddies from the two warring factions of fable.

It might have been nifty to see a slumming fey instead of another bloodsucker...

But let's be honest: vampires = $$$

You got your currency sign wrong.

 

[Morrus]

I both agree and disagree.

I think they should've restarted the series with the current vampire and werewolf characters and actors. I really believe they're both great characters and great actors and if the show is a success from now on, it'll be because of these two and the chemistry they have onscreen.

Honestly, I wasn't that fond of the main characters. As I said before, they were way too whiny. It was all angst and crying and reminded me of a teenage melodrama more than a gritty supernatural TV series exploring the primal nature of human beings.

The new characters, however, are much, MUCH less angsty and melodramatic. In fact, all the melodrama seems entirely centred on the remaining 'original' cast member and she has enough of it to almost be too much to bear already.

The only character I'm really upset about them killing off is Herrick. He was pure awesome.

I'd recommend giving the show a 'fresh' view. Try not to look at it through the lens of the previous seasons and view it as a new show with a similar thread. The new werewolf and vampire characters/actors are worth it, IMO.

Can't stand the werewolf. Admittedly, accent bigotry. I don't like his sister in Misfits, either.