Why does tiny Australia kick ass at the Olympics, while giant India flounders?

Andrew D. Gable said:
And ditto about the basketball team. I hate Iverson in particular. If that horse's ass ghetto thug could be bothered to PRACTICE once in a while, maybe the "Dream Team" (pshaww!) wouldn't suck. I mean, really... when the rest of the world's amateurs are beating our professionals, well, that tells you something.
It would, but that's not happening. The rest of the world's professionals are beating our professionals. They mostly play in Europe, not in the NBA, but that doesn't mean they're amatuers by any stretch. The Puerto Rican guard that lit up team USA is the starting point guard for the Utah Jazz. Serbia's sucking without Peja and Vlade. Spain's been riding Pau Gasol. China would be a joke without Yao.
 
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Akrasia said:
I know this is a complete thread-jack... :p ... but I'd be curious to know where people are getting these numbers.

According to the Economist, China has $900 GDP per head, Mexico $6,150, Poland $4,570, and South Korea $8,970.

The U.S. has $ 35,000, Canada $22,390, and Australia $19,070. Most EU countries are around Canada's level. Norway, outside the EU, kicks all kind of arse with $ 37,020. (Switzerland also does better than the EU.)

The Economist is the gold standard for this kind of info. I'd be curious to know where this other data is coming from.
I've been using the CIA world factbook at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/ . As I said up-thread, it's very important to note the difference between purchasing power parity numbers and strict currency conversions; the latter are pretty much meaningless because of exchange rate fluctuations and because some things are just much cheaper in poor countries.
 

G'day,

As has been said, Aussie's are sports mad. There is also the Australian Institute of Sport, a government funded body. A lot of money goes into training our athletes although few get the sponsorship deals or high paid positions some other country athletes do (the Dream Team :eek: )

To quote from their website:

The Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) is Australia’s internationally acclaimed national centre of sports excellence for the training and development of elite athletes and teams.

Opened in 1981 in response to disappointing results from the Australian team at the 1976 Montreal Olympics, the AIS originally offered scholarships in eight sports, all based in Canberra.

Today, the AIS offers scholarships to 700 athletes each year in 35 separate programs covering 26 sports. We employ about 75 coaches to help these athletes achieve their goals. We also have scholarship programs for athletes with disabilities in athletics, skiing and swimming.
 

drothgery said:
.... As I said up-thread, it's very important to note the difference between purchasing power parity numbers and strict currency conversions ....

Yes, and as *I* said up-thread, GOOD POINT! How many times must I say it? :p
 

Umbra said:
G'day,

As has been said, Aussie's are sports mad. There is also the Australian Institute of Sport, a government funded body. A lot of money goes into training our athletes although few get the sponsorship deals or high paid positions some other country athletes do (the Dream Team :eek: )

To quote from their website:

Yup, as I mentioned earlier in this thread Umbra, the Australian government made a deliberate policy decision to improve its performance after 1976.

It is interesting that two radically different strategies -- the U.S. vs. Oz -- both produce such good results.

We Canadians bemoan the fact that we did not follow the Australian example. (But hey, we kick arse in the Olympics THAT MATTER :lol: )
 

talinthas said:
I'm an indian. I've been to india many many times.
that said, India is hampered by a super crappy infrastructure, which means that people just don't have the time for training hardcore as demanded by the olympics. When cricket becomes an olympic sport, perhaps this will change. Until then, most indian athletes will be hampered by bad nutrition, bad training facilities, and general problems with funding and time. In school, they spend time learning things that will be able to put food on the table immediatly. The culture on the whole is geared much more towards academics than leisure. People spend their spare time learning english, not platform diving.
While I think a lot of the Chinese success at the Olympics is manufactured (there's no way China even fields a women's softball, soccer, or hockey team without government intervention, and I suspect there are other sports like that, I just don't know enough about them), China's not that much richer than India. And there are a lot of very poor countries that have had success at a few sports. So I suspect that if there were a few Olympic sports that Indians really loved, they'd win a few medals.

Incidentally, I'm not sure why cricket isn't in the Olympics. It seems as popular in ex-UK colonies as baseball is in the heavily-US-influenced parts of the world (the Caribean nations, most of central America, Canada, Japan, South Korea, the Phillipenes, and Taiwan). So if baseball gets in (and I think it should, even if I think the qualifying rules are a bit screwed up -- it's okay to have one team from Europe, five from the Americas, and two from Asia if they're the best eight teams), I'm not sure why cricket isn't in.
 
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Akrasia said:
It is interesting that two radically different strategies -- the U.S. vs. Oz -- both produce such good results.

We Canadians bemoan the fact that we did not follow the Australian example. (But hey, we kick arse in the Olympics THAT MATTER :lol: )
It's probably also worth noting that college athletics is pretty much an American thing, and that in quite a few sports, top-division NCAA athletics tend to be the development programs. Most of the US teams in track, swimming, volleyball, rowing, soccer, basketball, and softball (and a good chunk of the rest of the world's, too) got athletic scholarships (and since most of the top schools are state schools, they're indirectly government-funded).
 

Check out this site for figures on Medal tally versus population:
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@...be9f47591541e29eca256ef40004f25a!OpenDocument

It's accessible from www.abs.gov.au, the website for the Australian Government's Bureau of Statistics.

It's interesting to note that on Gold Medals vs Population basis the USA is 27th, behind countries such as Zimbabwe, Cuba and Georgia.

So maybe the USA isn't really doing that well :-)

Oh, and as for cricket - the world cup has less than twenty countries enter teams. I don't think that's really Olympic levels.

Duncan
 
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This article in Time magazine sheds some light.

Indian friends offer several explanations. One says parents steer their children toward respectable, cerebral, indoor activities, such as studying to become a doctor or engineer, and away from the frivolity of playing outdoors. Another says facilities are inadequate and the country lacks a nationwide professional league in any sport. A third avers that athletics simply aren't in the Indian genes. Whatever the reason, this inertia is apparently here to stay.
 

Yup, Australians are sports mad and our wiley politicians understand the Australian psyche sufficiently to invest a large percentage of our GDP into identifying and training our elite sportsmen and -women while being rather stingy when it comes to scientific and technological endeavours. Which is kinda odd, considering the significant contribution of individual Australians to such endeavours. Frankly, some of us would prefer our taxes were invested in winning Nobel prizes, not Olympic gold medals, but we're sadly in a minority.

Now for the typical Aussie cheek...

Australians win gold medals in the only realOlympics. Y'think the ancient Greeks would've celebrated the majesty of the naked human form engaged in physical exercise stuck up the precipitous side of a friggin' fjord in the friggin' snow? Medals would've been awarded to the most "shrinkage-resistant" (you guys know what I'm talking about). The Winter Olympics were invented so all you idiots who live in countries where you can't go outside for half the friggin' year could feel good about having two hours of daylight a day in which to practice looking good in thermal underwear. Don't tell me you wouldn't prefer to be watchin' the women's beach volleyball finals.

P.S. With all the off-topic discussion about average wealth per capita, I reckon it'd be interesting to compare wealth distribution. I suspect (without having done the research) that while the US may have higher per capita GDP than countries like Australia and Canda, Australia and Canada may well have flatter wealth distribution curves. I bet northern European countries kick ass on both the per capita GDP and equal wealth distribution fronts.

Cheers, Al'Kelhar
 
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