Why does Undead=Evil

[Talon5]

evil is still evil no matter how you look at it

What does that leave?

That you are trying to justify your good aligned character can indeed use Animate Dead and Evil Descriptor spells.

That you believe that once something becomes "normal" its no longer evil that it can be accepted as neutral, then eventually work it in as good thus you should get the +1 caster level for having a good domain.

 

[Scion]

Some applications are.

Note that since undead are treated effectively as evil by the core then channeling negative energy in order to control said evil may be what makes it evil.

In essence, it is an evil act because it is being used to control the evil. Whereas channeling positive is good because it is being used to destroy the evil (there are lesser forms of each, but I bet that every cleric is trying for the maximum rather than the minimum effect).

So, that would make for a pretty circular arguement. Channeling negative energy is evil because it is used to control evil undead, undead are evil because you have to channel negative energy into them and that is evil because it is evil to channel negative energy to control them.

To help support this, is it good/evil to turn/rebuke elementals? animals?

 

[Scion]

That you are trying to justify your good aligned character can indeed use Animate Dead and Evil Descriptor spells.

Personally, I couldnt care less if any of my characters are ever able to use animate dead. Be they good, neutral, or evil.

That you believe that once something becomes "normal" its no longer evil that it can be accepted as neutral, then eventually work it in as good thus you should get the +1 caster level for having a good domain.

Apparently you have still missed the point. As you are completely off base here I will invite you to reread the posts that you are referring to, and a few others in order to get a feeling for arguements that may have spanned more than a single post.

 

[Voadam]

That you are trying to justify your good aligned character can indeed use Animate Dead and Evil Descriptor spells.

A good character can. A cleric of a good god cannot.

 

[Talon5]

Apparently you have still missed the point.

Apparently but it appears that you too have missed a number of points.

 

[Scion]

Apparently but it appears that you too have missed a number of points.

Only if by 'missed' you mean 'didnt agree wholeheartedly with whichever poster you were agreeing with at the time'.

 

[Talon5]

A good character can. A cleric of a good god cannot.

I know, I was only pointing out that Scion seems lacking in that understanding and that he seems dedicated to the cause of justifing his actions (or something) in whatever campaign he's in presently or will be in in the future.

I have read this thread from the on set and it seems to me that one thing keeps getting pounded into us without any attempt at realizing what evil really is or accepting what evil is.

Presently I have two character capable of using Animate Dead- well actually one, one is a CG Cleric, and the other is a NG Wiz6/ArcaneOrder4- he won't because he views Animating the Dead as the act of an evil person or the act of someone that wants supreme domination over someone less capable then himself.

 

[Talon5]

Only if by 'missed' you mean 'didnt agree wholeheartedly with whichever poster you were agreeing with at the time'.

Or anyone elses

 

[Scion]

I know, I was only pointing out that Scion seems lacking in that understanding and that he seems dedicated to the cause of justifing his actions (or something) in whatever campaign he's in presently or will be in in the future.

Yet again, you have blatantly missed the point and refuse to read over the part that you are completely misremembering.

::shrugs:: personal attacks seem to be what you like, that is unfortunate.

However, one last time, you had mentioned something about a situation given in a society where it would be amoral to do so. Hence, I asked what if you were brought up in a society that did allow it and it was not amoral. Effectively showing the contradiction in your, 'it is obviously evil, anyone can see that because society says it is evil' case.

That apparently did not work as you missed the subtelty. Hopefully pointing it out explicitly to you will do the trick.

 

[BlackSilver]

Take a deep breath both of you and answer me this

However, one last time, you had mentioned something about a situation given in a society where it would be amoral to do so. Hence, I asked what if you were brought up in a society that did allow it and it was not amoral. Effectively showing the contradiction in your, 'it is obviously evil, anyone can see that because society says it is evil' case.

Scion & Talon5,
I have noticed that you are both missing something.

Scion, I think is saying that if its acceptable in a society then that means it is not evil?

So an example I think Scion will agree with- in a society where rape is acceptable it is not evil.

Talon5, I believe is trying to explain that if it is evil then it does not matter what society says.

While Talon5 says that even in a society where rape is acceptable its still evil, no matter if you are looking from the outside in or from the inside at the acceptable act.

I would be thankful to you both if you would please stop this line of conversation, it is making me feel more then uncomfortable.