Why I hate D&D 3.5

[jasamcarl]

Just to sum up, Bendris, you are the type of person who obviously does not like to have to consider the ramifications of their 'vision'. You don't like a solid set of balanced rules to be in place, because they provide an alternative to your contrivance that most players would rather use. Selfish and outright mastubatory.

Have a nice day.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

Very true. I was going to retort with "Then download it!" But you couldn't at that time. I must admit, I was the first person in line to buy it. I had no intention of "flipping through it to check it out." I wanted to BUY BUY BUY!

I think that the 3E DUNGEON MASTER'S Guide is awesome for new DMs! It actually tells the DM what to do instead of assuming he came from an earlier edition. Unfortunately, like in your case, there's probably not enough to keep an experienced DMs interest.

The problem, however, is of concern with new DMs. Constantly throughout the DMG, the term "mistake" is used. Not just in instances regarding screwing PCs, but in regards to major flavor issues. This is the influence on peoples perception and opinions which I am refering to.

Example: On page 174, anything other than the standard amount of items is regarded as a "mistake". Instead of using the word "mistake", it could instead say "Default Balance assumes a set level of items." This later sentance opens the door to customization, while the use of the word "mistake" instead makes it seem that anything other than the standard amount of wrong.

That's the nature of 3E's flaw: Not the emphasis it puts on defaults, but the negative emphasis it puts on any other possibilities.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

Just to sum up, Bendris, you are the type of person who obviously does not like to have to consider the ramifications of their 'vision'. You don't like a solid set of balanced rules to be in place, because they provide an alternative to your contrivance that most players would rather use. Selfish and outright mastubatory.

Gee, if I wanted to deal with this sort of trash, I'd start posting at WotC regularly again.

I have no problem with balance. I have a problem with what folks falsely assume to be the only balance possible. If you haven't read that clearly stated fact within my posts, than there's really not much else you can contribute since your lack of comprehension makes discussing the matter with you pointless.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

Your arguments are pathetic and poorly thought out.

No, they just aren't what you want to hear.

3E provides a BASELINE from which a DUNGEON CRAWL can be balanced.

Just what I wanted... A baseline set to the lowest common denominator.

That does not mean that it limits your ability to play balance be damned, but it gives a much better idea of how that game played out minues DM fiat. There was no question that the librarian was viable in 2e BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY FREAKIN RULES TO SPEAK UP AND THE GAME WAS THE DM!!!

And again, the playability of a librarian in 2E was never in question.

Kindly prove yourself a comprehending literate person before expecting any more replies from me.

3e provides those same tools from the DM, but for an optional gamist element that [gasp], many people like to partake in.

Great. Many people like Friends, too. Guess I'll start watching that.

 

[jasamcarl]

Gee, if I wanted to deal with this sort of trash, I'd start posting at WotC regularly again.

I have no problem with balance. I have a problem with what folks falsely assume to be the only balance possible. If you haven't read that clearly stated fact within my posts, than there's really not much else you can contribute since your lack of comprehension makes discussing the matter with you pointless.

Um, you are the only person who seems to be so narrow minded as to think that because the rules provide one form of balance, that excludes others. Wotc chose the baseline that is the most popular amongst rpers. That does not mean that each groups priorities are the same, but they can measure the effects of that change to the 'reasonably' balanced baseline. Outside of a few irrational internet posters, I have yet to meet anyone who is personally offended by the printed standard contradicting their own or who are so intellectually limited that they see it as in any way inhibiting their efforts. But you have given me yet more proof that such a self-centered brand of idiocy does in fact exist.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

Um, you are the only person who seems to be so narrow minded as to think that because the rules provide one form of balance, that excludes others. Wotc chose the baseline that is the most popular amongst rpers.

Actually, they choose a baseline (dungeon delving) in which RP takes place least.

That does not mean that each groups priorities are the same, but they can measure the effects of that change to the 'reasonably' balanced baseline.

Again, the baseline is towards the lowest denominator.

Outside of a few irrational internet posters, I have yet to meet anyone who is personally offended by the printed standard contradicting their own or who are so intellectually limited that they see it as in any way inhibiting their efforts. But you have given me yet more proof that such a self-centered brand of idiocy does in fact exist.

And when did I say I was offended? I couldn't care less how they design the rules, I merely indicated my own preference and wishes.

However, I have spent four pages now defending my views.

Which, by the way, proves my point of the limitations that I've indicated the game promotes.

Thank you.

Of course, I'm not surprised. It happens every time the subject comes up.

 

[Jim DelRosso]

Which, by the way, proves my point of the limitations that I've indicated the game promotes.

No, it doesn't, but it's not surprising that you think it does.

 

[jasamcarl]

Actually, they choose a baseline (dungeon delving) in which RP takes place least.

Again, the baseline is towards the lowest denominator.

And when did I say I was offended? I couldn't care less how they design the rules, I merely indicated my own preference and wishes.

However, I have spent four pages now defending my views.

Which, by the way, proves my point of the limitations that I've indicated the game promotes.

Thank you.

Of course, I'm not surprised. It happens every time the subject comes up.

They chose the archtype which people like to rp the most, which is high/epic fantasy. Roleplaying means putting yourself in a certain place. The exact nature of that place has little to do with rp and more with stylistic preference.

And you still have been unable to address my point of how, regardless what standard was chosen, 3e also does everything you say 2e did better, PLUS offers this other element.

 

[el-remmen]

Let's all take a nice deep breath. . .

Okay?

Better?

Good.

Now let's just leave this along for a bit until some of ya'll can learn to play nice and take this all the slightest bit less seriously.

In the future, when a mod or admin issues a warning, please take it to heart.

No one likes having to close threads.