Yes, I really don't want you misrepresenting my view.
Sorry, not seeing the difference here.
You not seeing the difference still doesn't make it okay in my mind for you to tell me what I mean. Because, it's not what I mean. Don't tell me to "step up" and say something the way you think is right, simply because you don't see the difference. The difference is clear to me.
Setting is not the "framing of situations". That's not what the word means. Setting=location. Full stop.
First, I strongly disagree with you cutting off the actual definition in this discussion. It can mean location, but it can include other aspects, as well. I even linked the definition to clear that up.
thefreedictionary.com said:
setting
1. the surroundings in which something is set; scene
You can see in the first definition, it's includes "scene", as well as "the surroundings in which something is set". This does not stop at location, according to the definition. The setting might be, "a train station, with 4 thugs surrounding a frightened couple. The thugs are brandishing weapons, and are looking to get into a fight."
thefreedictionary.com said:
setting
2. (Performing Arts / Theatre) (Performing Arts) the scenery, properties, or background, used to create the location for a stage play, film, etc.
This definition clearly supports the same. In creating the location, you also give scenery (trash cans, litter, etc.), properties (oddities, etc.), and background (thugs surrounding the couple, king of the country mobilizing troops, etc.).
Both definitions include framing a scene, which extends to "framing of situations" such as the thugs and the couple at the train station. The fact that you disagree does in no way give you the right to tell me what I mean. Please don't do that.
The connotation of the word "setting" and that of the word "plot" is clear to me. The former involves framing a scene, while the latter involves guiding it along a narrative path. You don't have to agree. Don't say what I mean.
As soon as you add situation, then it's not longer setting. And, like it or not, every DM guides the game.
Again, you may not be able to see why I disagree. That's fine. Again, please don't tell me what I think, or tell me to "step up" and phrase something the way you want me to because you don't see it, or don't agree with it.
There's a reason setting does not have any connotations of story. That's because setting has nothing to do with the events in the story, beyond supplying the stage and the background scenary.
Basically true, yep. Framing the scene (and the situation the couple finds themselves in), as it were.
And, still, no one has answered why a randomly generated landslide is not plot.
This really depends on its implementation. Added for "story element" as compared to, say, random chance. One is framing a scene (setting), while the other is progressing a story (plot).
As always, play what you like
