Why is there no talk about the Castle Keepers Guide preview?

[ArgoForg]

Wait -- is C&C already in 4th edition?????

4th printing. Big difference.

There are some very minor differences between printings; usually editing cleanups, minor rules nudges and the like. But the rules themselves have gone through very few of the grand, sweeping changes or overhauls that one would expect from an edition change.

 

[catsclaw227]

4th printing. Big difference.

There are some very minor differences between printings; usually editing cleanups, minor rules nudges and the like. But the rules themselves have gone through very few of the grand, sweeping changes or overhauls that one would expect from an edition change.

So how far off the original rules are my 1st printing C&C books? Would I need to buy a new one if I ever decided to give it a whirl again? Is there a PDF errata file I can download that brings me current?

 

[francisca]

So, Crusaders, don't judge the content by the writing style, enjoy the load of content and support the book gives.

Interesting choice of words.

They cost the same as anyone else that uses POD on the cheap.

Don't the trolls own their own printing company?

 

[ArgoForg]

So how far off the original rules are my 1st printing C&C books? Would I need to buy a new one if I ever decided to give it a whirl again? Is there a PDF errata file I can download that brings me current?

I wish I could tell you for sure, but I'm afraid I'm newer than most to the game and the TLG site... the only version other than the most recent (4th) I own is the 3rd Printing, so I couldn't tell you all the way back to 1st, but from what I gather, the core of the game (the Siege engine-- Prime Attributes and 12 vs 18) is essentially unchanged.

There are most likely Crusaders who have been around a lot longer that could give you chapter and verse on the differences between 1st and 4th, and could very likely point you to any errata TLG has around their site. Wish I could say I was that conversant.

I can tell you that the changes from 3rd to 4th printing were generally pretty light-- the barbarian class was tweaked to make it a lot more powerful, the illusionist can cast some healing at higher levels, and there was a major editing and layout overhaul to the book that I personally thought made it much easier to read. That's the largest changes I remember, anyway.

 

[the Jester]

As for their writing, I buy tons of RPG's, yes, their style of writing is different, but their editing is on par with everyone elses.

Sorry, no.

So if you want to criticize TLG, please do it fairly and honestly. I can handle it. In fact, when you are right, I will agree with you.

Then why are you defending the quality of their writing? I'm sorry, but the sample in question is awful.

I compare them to Paizo, WOTC, Green Ronin and Mongoose all the time, so I am very aware that their quality of work is completely on par.

I fear your fondness for them may have overridden your awareness of their flaws in this instance. The quality of the writing in this sample is not even close to the quality of a typical WotC product, nor is it even close to the quality of a typical Gygax product (which seems to be the style they are working towards).

I know that their customer relations is the next closest to Paizo in the whole RPG community. I know their response to fan input is completely on par with Paizo. I know that when you meet the Trolls in person they are just as cool a group of people to meet as those who work for Paizo. They are equally as responsive, equally as open to talk about their products, etc...

None of which has anything at all to do with their crappy writing. No matter how nice of a guy I am, I cannot play the guitar to save my life.

So hen looked at and compared fairly, TLG is one of the best over all RPG companies around. That is NOT blind fan boy crap, that is cold, hard, fair comparison type fact.

Sorry, I absolutely disagree.

Sidenote: If threads start at multiple websites about how awful the writing in a given work is, there is a good chance that it's badly written. Not an absolute, but certainly an indicator.

 

[Keefe the Thief]

A chronic problem with editing from the #2 RPG company for more than a decade isn't "unfortunate editing errors," it's a complete indifference to quality control. But no one is tearing their shirt and screaming that they'll never buy a White Wolf game. Likewise, their style, particularly in the oWoD was definitely an acquired taste, and was more florid and purple than any other publisher I've come across. (It was originally meant to evoke Anne Rice, I think, and mutated from there.)


This is a new way of using "print on demand" that I don't understand, I think, or an abbreviation I don't recognize.

White Wolf has been bashed from here to heaven both for their crappy editing as well as for their abysmal website (the latter has FINALLY changed). They made a lot improvements in regard to their writing, too. Though i admit, i do not understand why we cannot talk about the writing in the CKG without having the need to say stuff like "other companies have problems with their writing, too!"

And what on earth does RPG.nets layout have to do with anything?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Sidenote: If threads start at multiple websites about how awful the writing in a given work is, there is a good chance that it's badly written. Not an absolute, but certainly an indicator.

Eh. The same people are on the threads on multiple related sites. It's not like these are separate conversations isolated from one another.

Now, if completely separated forums are having similar discussions, then it'd be a lot more suggestive.

 

[Hackmaster]

Sidenote: If threads start at multiple websites about how awful the writing in a given work is, there is a good chance that it's badly written. Not an absolute, but certainly an indicator.

Or perhaps that the person posting on multiple websites to bash a product has an axe to grind.

 

[the Jester]

Eh. The same people are on the threads on multiple related sites. It's not like these are separate conversations isolated from one another.

Now, if completely separated forums are having similar discussions, then it'd be a lot more suggestive.

Maybe so, I've only glanced at the threads on other boards.

 

[pawsplay]

4th printing. Big difference.

Yeah, people certainly would like you to think so.