Why modern movies suck - they teach us awful lessons

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
It's one of his funniest films, I was laughing the entire time.

Obviously, it's more vignettes that a coherent whole. My only complaint (and it's a small one) is that I thought that the extended McDormand vignette was good, but somewhat lesser than than the absolutely inspired art piece that preceded it.
 

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BookTenTiger

He / Him
Obviously, it's more vignettes that a coherent whole. My only complaint (and it's a small one) is that I thought that the extended McDormand vignette was good, but somewhat lesser than than the absolutely inspired art piece that preceded it.
I find it hard to name my favorite Wes Anderson.

Grand Budapest is just a masterwork and definitely one of my favorites.

Life Aquatic is very personal to me.

Royal Tannenbaums feels like one of his most personal ones... He has a lot of love for the flawed characters.

Rushmore is also much more raw than his other films, and I imagine a little autobiographical too.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
They dont always. I think the video picks on Rey Palpatine because its implied that something interesting will happen with her story. What happens isnt really like previous saga stories though. Its jarring in this case because it doesn't fit the SW mold as previous installments did. I dont think it would be as big a deal if this was a SW story and not part of the saga.

So, I think the case is made in two instances of prequel/sequels that didnt match the initial experiences. I'm not sure this would hold up comparing different franchises nor does it mean modern movies suck.

The big problem was TFA went left, TLJ went right and RoS fell apart.
 



"The Drinker" also writes some suggested fixes for some of the films that are thought provoking because he restricts his re-writes to minimize changes to the actual films while at the same time providing growth and more importantly understandable motivations for the characters. His rewrites of Rey's arc and Luke Skywalker's arc were quite entertaining and plausible.
 

BookTenTiger

He / Him
"The Drinker" also writes some suggested fixes for some of the films that are thought provoking because he restricts his re-writes to minimize changes to the actual films while at the same time providing growth and more importantly understandable motivations for the characters. His rewrites of Rey's arc and Luke Skywalker's arc were quite entertaining and plausible.
When an online personality uses the term "Mary Sue" in the year 2022 I cannot take any of their work seriously.
 



Mallus

Legend
Ok, I'll bite. Why is the term "Mary Sue" in 2022 bad?
Mainly because it’s applied to hyper-competent female characters as a criticism, whereas hyper-competent male characters are accepted as normal and good. Expected, even. Of course James Bond and Kirk and Doc Savage are good at a lot of things... and are the protagonists of their respective stories, ie the center.

The term is also kinda lazy criticism. Incurious. Frankly… dumb. Extremely competent characters are staples in many kinds of genre fiction (Holmes, Poirot, etc.). Attempting to turn that quality into a negative without unpacking the role these sort of competence fantasies play in genre fiction and it’s history is… well, bad criticism.
 
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Ryujin

Legend
Mainly because it’s applied to hyper-competent female characters as a criticism, whereas hyper-competent male characters are accepted as normal and good. Expected, even. Of course James Bond and Kirk and Doc Savage are good at a lot of things... and are the protagonists of their respective stories, ie the center.

The term is also kinda lazy criticism. Incurious. Frankly… dumb. Extremely competent characters are staples in many kinds of genre fiction (Holmes, Poirot, etc.). Attempting to turn that quality into a negative without unpacking the role these sort of competence fantasies play in genre fiction and it’s history is… well, bad criticism.
Male version is "Gary Stu."
Ok, I'll bite. Why is the term "Mary Sue" in 2022 bad?
Bad in 2022 because it is frequently used by misogynists to criticize any competent female character, rather than just characters that are wildly out of sync with their positions and what their perceived level of power/competence should be.

The origin of the term IIRC is from a Star Trek fanfic that the author used as wish fulfillment by placing a character of herself, named Mary Sue, in the crew. This ensign was hyper competent and loved by all the main characters, out of nowhere.
 
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Zardnaar

Legend
Male version is "Gary Stu."

Bad in 2022 because it is frequently used by misogynists to criticize any competent female character, rather than just characters that are wildly out of sync with their positions and what their perceived level of power/competence should be.

he origin of the term IIRC is from a Star Trek fanfic that the author used as wish fulfillment by placing a character of herself, named Mary Sue, in the crew. This ensign was hyper competent and loved by all the main characters, out of nowhere.

And iirc it was satire.

Very few female characters are Mary sues IMHO.
 

Smackpixi

Adventurer
I just watched the French Dispatch (streaming). It was really good.
Oooo, where is it streaming, sure I could look that up but why don’t you just tell me the answer.

I really have to say, I agree, Modern Movies suck. By which I mean all superhero movies that aren’t Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Marvel, or the first half of a couple Batmans. They’re unwatchable, an exaggeration of course, since even intolerant I have watched most, I mean they are boring as fork. Boring movies have been common since the dawn of cinema, but just to antagonize here, i’m saying superhero movies are boring, usually.

But none of my complaints have anything to do with the life lessons. That working hard part of the original Mulan is boring filler no one cared about either.

My complaint, I think, is more CGI focused, maybe? When it’s possible for literally anything to be displayed on screen, directors have been focusing on the great spectacle they can display. And it’s boring. The spectacle is not important, the lead up, the plotting, the suspense, the maybe, maybe not, is interesting. The release, the action explosions is just reveal confirmation.

I find, “it’s just popcorn movie good fun” such an infuriating comment on any movie. What are you simple? I eat shirtloads of popcorn, and am happy to suspend disbelief about anything, but if it’s just more mindless cgi ”explosions” why don’t we watch actual fireworks. Like, I dunno, have you ever seen fireworks in real life and also on tv, the tv version really pales doesn’t it? Even if you are “closer”

I dunno, what is my complaint someone will ask. I’m with the story people who say why don’t they get decent writers for blockbuster investment movies, but really, they don’t cause spectacle sells, no one GAF about story, some spectacles sell well, some don’t, the people behind the money paying for these movies only care to puzzle out how to better string CGI spectacles so they are winners.

i don’t think that’s a coherent post, but, drunk and exhausted.
 




Mainly because it’s applied to hyper-competent female characters as a criticism, whereas hyper-competent male characters are accepted as normal and good. Expected, even. Of course James Bond and Kirk and Doc Savage are good at a lot of things... and are the protagonists of their respective stories, ie the center.
I can only think of two characters in movie/TV history where this has been applied to:

The female character in Star Wars (I didn't watch as I never had much faith in Disney) and Michael Burnham of Discovery, whose character I personally disliked. Have there been anymore?
The reason I ask is because you state it is lazy criticism which implies this term has been utilised a lot.
 

I don't think movies these days suffer because of lessons, primarily. I'm of the opinion that many more movies suffer due to the lack of internal consistency and creating likeable/relatable characters.
 


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