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Why should I care about the FLGS?

Interesting - just a week ago I had the same conversation on the Wizards Eberron Forums. I'll re-post my reply here:

Henry said:
As a consumer, I think that the small game stores have already LOST the war. For the ones who have still managed to retain large and loyal customer bases, I couldn't be happier. But on the whole, like so many other sports and hobby venues, the community centers are shifting away from the local stores, and going more and more online.

I have not had a local store for maybe ten years now; the ones who were here, were poorly staffed and poorly informed, and of course could not compete in price. A small operation will never beat a larger chain on price, so they had best be informed about their product and be very service-oriented, or they are doomed.

As a result, as smaller companies fold, the voice of the community center goes to online communities. I do not get advice on my purchases from local sources; all my purchase decisions come from either here, or ENWorld.

Small retailers who cannot find their customer bases locally need to face the reality that they likely never will, unless they are able to run in the red for quite a while as they draw in customers with severe loss-leaders, and build loyalty in customers after they are established.

The better strategy is that they need to position themselves online instead of brick and mortar. There's still a lot of competition, but there's much less overhead, and their customer service quality is much more likely to shine.

They simply need to go where the customers are - and the customers are increasingly hooking up online, before doing so in person.

In summary, my FLGS's are neither friendly nor local, which, when you think about it, is suicide in the long term. Even if people everywhere got the message that supporting local vendors is a "good thing," I don't think it would matter, because the paradigm shifts from the local to the global. I've met literally SCORES more gamers as a result of ENWorld than I ever did at a Game Store.
 

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arcady said:
Why should I care about the FLGS? Really, why?
Dunno. I guess the difference is that the FLGS accepts cash money on the ready, not so much ID theft...uhm other stuff. Oh and then there's that whole "using PtP" thing for some that don't want anything other than free stuff.

But that's just people not caring right?
 

cignus_pfaccari said:
Yep. I go to Dream Wizards, in Rockville, because it's on the way home, the people at the counter know what they're doing and what they're talking about (most of the time, at least). They carry Shadowrun and Battletech books still, as well as Spycraft, BFG, GURPS, Exalted, etc. If I want a book, I can waltz over there and get it, and I have their phone # on my cell phone so I don't have to look up their number.

The only other gaming store that's pedestrian-accessible, the last time I visited, SMELLED. And it was cramped and poorly-lit and just UGH.

I truly, truly don't know what I'd do without my FLGS.

Brad

I just looked it up online and it looks metro accessible (I am, alas, a poor grad student and therefore metro bound), but perhaps you could confirm that for me? I am dying of Shadowrun starvation and the stores I've been to have laughable selections. Though perhaps you're not an expert on that either. Ah, well, worth a shot...

More on topic...SR books are a very poor buy online as they tend to be overpriced and with a very poor selection. I am spoiled by my FLGS back home which carries a ridiculously wide selection of games, including sourcebooks from the old Palladium Robotech RPG. It's really hard to get that kind of selection and service online, anywhere I've been at least...
 

I do both. I buy the expensive books online, because very rarely do I NEED the book RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT! I can also save $10-15 and that's good, I'm not made of money and that money can go towards buying something else game related. I bought Unearthed Arcana online for $22 and I'm incredibly happy for it. I bought the Book of Fiends online for $19 and I'm glad I didn't pay full price (I couldn't browse the book even if I wanted to, none of the Gaming Stores I frequented even carried the book).

However, I do buy things at my FGS. I don't really have a local FGS, as I have to drive nearly 45 minutes into West Dundee to get there. The other gaming stores in the area are nice, but they don't compare at all. One of the stores shrink wraps the books. Ugh, I hate that.
Yet, when I do go to the FGS, I often impulse buy, which is usually a pack of minis, a magazine or something else small. They have a wide selection of books and minis, along with comics and other cool stuff. They get my money from me and I usually make the trip there with my buds at least once every two weeks.
 

For me it stems from an awareness of what it takes to produce that book. Beyond the skills of the writer, editor, artist(s) and other publishing professionals there's also the matter of actually printing the book, replicating the copies, shipping the copies out for approval and then shipping to distributors or other clients. All of that effort allows a lot of people to put food on their table, send their children to college, maintain their health, keep them in their homes and otherwise be able to make meaningful contributions to society. I'm quite willing to pay more to see that these skilled, motivated and passionate people continue to make that contribution to society and thereby improve the quality of life for all of us.
 
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I'm strongly in support of the FLGS. For me, there are many (personal) reasons to prefer them over shopping online.

I enjoy the amicability of my FLGS. I like it that I can go in and greet the guy behind the counter by his first name (and be greeted as such). I like that I can usually strike up a conversation with some of the other people in there.

I like not having to wait. If I see something I like, I can pick it up immediately and go home with it.

I like that I can usually browse through things, letting me know if its something I want or want to pass on, much better than an internet summary could.

I like that the FLGS has more than just games. I read quite a few comics, and I depend on my FLGS for these as much as I do RPG books. I'd have a much harder time getting these elsewhere, as its difficult to find many of them to order online, and even harder still to ask someone knowledgeable about them specific questions about certain issues, etc.

Also, I don't feel that just saying "it's capitalism" is an acceptable reason to justify letting the little stores die out. Capitalism is economic darwinism, but we don't encourage social darwinism - we don't want people to live in a society where the strong survive by preying on the weaker people; it seems odd to decry that in one sense of society, and embrace it in one that's only somewhat different.

I'm not saying we should abandon capitalism in whole, or even in part (I still get my groceries at the supermarket like everyone else), but just writing off the death of the small stores as part of the capitalist process, shrugging our shoulders, and moving on, is more cold than I can bring myself to be.
 
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FLGS Evolution

When I started gaming in the late 70s, the public internet didn't exist for the most part, being limited to government, colleges and business. Most people didn't have a home computer that can do what ours can now. I used to walk a couple of miles downtown in Salem, Mass. to a game store on Washington street, since it was the closest in its day. I couldn't look for the best deal as there weren't other ones to get. Roleplaying was a MUCH smaller industry and its products in entirety could occupy one bookshelf (or less). The FLGS was likely a model hobby shop or a book store with other produst to know about. They never knew much about AD&D then and that was okay. I culd figure it out. But they were friendly.

The industry as a whole is huge and the output of some companies can equal my entire D&D collection in 1982 in only a couple of months. (Mongoose is a great example of churning out tons of product :)). We have the internet now, so buying (and selling) is much easier to do, even nationwide. I picked up a Heavy Gear book from Tennessee, and it got to my house in three days (woof!). More people on the average have internet capable computers so they chan shop and browse online quite easily. Though they can't browse directly a product, they can read probably anywhere from 3-5 reviews of a product before they decide to purchase. And shipping costs aren't bad, considering the product usually has a severely marked-down price. Overhead on running an internet based business can be significantly lower so those costs are given to the customer (yay!).

What does this mean to the FLGS? They need to evolve or die. Competing financially is almost impossible and since gamers don't tend to be Fortune 500 CEOs, they're gonna spend their money where it stretches the furthest. Well, so what do we do?

1)Accept the change and watch the LGS disappear as an entity.
2)Change the LGS so it offers products/services/solutions that the internet businesses cannot.
3)Hybridize the LGS to other than just a game store, such as a book, hobby, comic or even coffee house.

As many game stores are labors of love as opposed to businesses, they are very quirky and tend to attract some interesting clientele. Those of us in gaming for years see ourselves as the gamers in question, a little off the beaten path of everyday average person.

If we want to see a local gaming store survive, these are some suggestions I recommend:

1)Buy the product from that store, even if it's more expensive. It supports your local economy and keeps the store in the black.

2)Volunteer! If you are permitted (big if of course), advertise the store through flyers at school, work, or other social gathering places. If you're an owner, it's a great way to get your name out and it's usually cheap, offer a few free products and you can get yourself your own set of Baker Street Irregulars.

3)Talk to the owner(s). Whether they deserve your support as a customer will be quite obvious. If they don't want to support your favorite product/setting/whatever, ask them to give you reasons for this. Perhaps you can show them that they can offer these things.

4)Promote in-store gaming. If there is room in the store, and the owner is willing, run your game there. Though one's house may be private, it may not be central, or mom may not want that person in her house, as has been said, some gamers can be pretty unique.

5)Word of mouth. In San Diego when I was in college, word of mouth meant a lot to gamers and the stores we frequented. We learned the cool places to go and we went there.

6)The People. As had been mentioned earlier, gamers are unique, probably more so than some cultists. As everyday, more mainstream people come into the hobby, there will be conflict and confusion. A little tolerance goes a long way, on both sides.

7)See if the LGS has a way to easily order your product if they don't have it. Give them a chance to get it for you, if they will.

Now much of this is up to both sides of the coin. The gamer or customer, who can do any or many of the things above to help improve his LGS and the owner/managers who run the places, who can do or listen as much as they can. If those businesses want to survive, they will need to diversify their setup. They need to try to please their local customers and as many as they can afford to. Unfirtunately this means that sometimes a game we might play will not be the one they choose. I have two local stores. One focuses on CCGs and miniatures, the other Online Network Gaming and Miniatures. They have very small RPG selections, as they have few to no RPG customers. And that's not the only problem. Distribution and purchasing wholesale has changed some too. When D&D was owned by TSR, they distributed directly, then to game distributors around the country. When WOTC picked them up, they actually dealt direct for awhile as well as distributed. Then when Hasbro bought WOTC, ot changed even more. The big thing is minimum orders, and buying other product. For awhile (and I am not sure if it's still true) Game Towne in San Diego had to generate a minimum order before they could get anything from Hasbro. So much for D&D. And GW did minimum orders for a long time, plus requiring product to be displayed and marketed a certain way. This was not always to the game store's advantage. A game store owner sometimes had to make hard choices.

This evolution is not over and where it's going I don't know. But as customers, we're partially responsible for the effects we're seeing. It's going to be an interesting ride.
 

arcady said:
Why should I care about the FLGS? Really, why?

IMHO, it really depends on what the FLGS offers. Shopping at a local brick-and-mortar establishment simply because it is the local brick-and-mortar shop is silly. The reason to keep going back, and being a regular, and supporting them has to be something else. Something they offer that the big retailers (online or not) just don't.

I do shop at chain supermarkets, but I like the local farmers' markets. I eat fast food from national (or international) franchises, but I also like little mom & pop joints, or even regional chains. It's hard to compete with Amazon for price (or selection, for that matter), and even Waldenbooks and Barnes & Noble will sell discount memberships, but I live in Portland, OR, and I really (really) like Powell's & Powell's Tech.

If your local gaming store is filled with clones of the Simpson's Comic Book Guy (and you are not Of The Body), then yeah, it's not going to appeal. And if you don't care if the place disappears, then don't shop there. But if you like it, for whatever reasons you may have, then it's simply enlightened self-interest to shop there, and do your part to keep them around. Part of what you pay for is services, surroundings, and maybe even resources (Knowledgeable staff? Bulletin board? Gaming tables? Wargaming terrain?). If what they provide isn't worth your money, then spend it elsewhere. But if it is worth it, and you still spend it all elsewhere, don't complain when it goes away.
 

arcady said:
Why should I care about the FLGS? Really, why?

Because if you don't, then Comic Book Guy will cry.

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Please, think of Comic Book Guy.
 

Kaleon Moonshae said:
I agree with you, if a flgs is nice to me, knows my name and even takes the time to actually *try* to learn something about my tastes then I will happily pay *more* than normal for my stuff there. A good example is a hair salon. I can get my hair cut for 8$ in an annonomous (sp) place and it will be a decent cut, or I can go and spend 50$ at a place that knows my name, knows how I like my hair, knows what kind of water I like to drink and *has it ready for me." Which will I choose? I will choose the 50$ place if I have the money at all, period, no question.

Man. The day I pay $50 for a haircut, shoot me :-P

Personally, with my $50, I'd get the $8 haircut and buy two RPG books online :D

(not to mention, service != expensive. My local $8 hair guy remembers me, and how I like my hair ... and does the same for anyone who goes there with any semblance of regularity)

As for gaming material, I do all my shopping at one of three venues:
- frpgames.com
- milsims.com.au
- gaming conventions
 

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