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WizarDru said:
Between the Books: Awesome, personal service. Owner is extremely cool guy, and prices are good. Selection is fairly good if unpredictable, but service, while friendly is scatterbrained, at times. Orders get mixed up, lost or forgotten. However, the owner and staff were always friendly, and often would make good guesses about purchasing habits. Distance is too far for regular patronage any longer, though.

Actually, this is just "Between Books" (I'm assuming, all the description points to it). This is the combination shop I mentioned. It's big weakness is a lack of organization (very small space, a whole lot of product). Still, you won't find a more personable store owner. It's a shame someone decided to open a gaming store across the street to compete with him.
 
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The_Universe said:
I assume you're talking about the Compleat Strategist in Falls Church?

*shudder* that place was genuinely frightening!

Yep. I hate to badmouth them, but half the time when I go there it smells all mildewy and stuff. Another member of my group and I will sometimes stop there on the way to our Saturday games, but that's the only time I go.

I don't go to the Game Parlor very often. I've found it's mostly useful for older out of print stuff, since anything else I can get at Dream Wizards. Also, being carless, I'm at the mercy of people who do want to go there and have cars, which doesn't happen very often.

Brad
 

Kaleon Moonshae said:
Man dude, who shot your dog? I mean China has some problems, but politically speaking they have progressed a long way in the last few years.

I didn't want to spark a political debate on China, just add the complete economic perspective to the "Discount Chains Suck" reasoning. The topic is "Why Should I Shop at my FLGS?" and further "Why Shouldn't I Buy from National Chains?"

The Chinese government killed my cousin. If you want proof that China is a brutal place, please send me an email.
 

Kaleon Moonshae said:
The game store I grew up with would actually *talk* to you if you stopped in more than once a month. He made sure he knew your name if you stopped in more than twice a month. I get tired of all this "save the flgs" ranting I hear sometimes. A store is a store is a store, the people are what make it special. If you have someone local who cares about you and values you then buy there, if not get it wherever you can.

If the people are what makes a store worthwhile/"special", then wouldn't an online place always lose out to brick-n-mortar, 'cause there're no personal interactions? Or, at least, does that mean you have zero loyalty to the online place, just as you would a physical store with crappy customer service?
 

woodelf said:
If the people are what makes a store worthwhile/"special", then wouldn't an online place always lose out to brick-n-mortar, 'cause there're no personal interactions? Or, at least, does that mean you have zero loyalty to the online place, just as you would a physical store with crappy customer service?

Actually, that depends. If I have a problem with an online place and I call them and they are kind, respectful and really try to help, that will earn *alot* of loyalty for me. No, I do not feel any loyalty to anything but individuals, to be perfectly honest.
 

The Mad Kaiser said:
I didn't want to spark a political debate on China, just add the complete economic perspective to the "Discount Chains Suck" reasoning. The topic is "Why Should I Shop at my FLGS?" and further "Why Shouldn't I Buy from National Chains?"

The Chinese government killed my cousin. If you want proof that China is a brutal place, please send me an email.

Would happily continue this conversation in email, but I would need your email for that;P BTW, I understand your side (don't agree, but understand), just felt it was out of place here is all. If you wish to talk about it I would be happy to. Send me a message or email me at Truenight666(A)hotmail(dot)com and put enworld in the topic.
 

Wow, Wal-Mart is the best company ever!

I guess all of these things I have read about them destroying rural America must have all been gross exaggerations! Things like:

-Choosing sites just out of towns where real estate is cheap, pressure lobbying for public infrastructure money - AND pressuring small towns to accept them with the threat of moving into the next small town and stealing their local businesses money anyway. ( The "Tons of Cash" they give for roads and streetlights etc... mentioned above is to build access to their stores! - And they only pay PART OF THIS! ) Causing ghost-towns and killing downtowns is the real legacy of Walmart in many rural American cities.

-Artificially lowering prices until local competing family businesses close up shop -then raising prices!

- Calling less than 40hrs/week "Full-Time" & Keeping most workers at hours just below benefits eligibility

- History of misleading advertising

-Constantly accused of gender preference in management decisions

-Censorship of product offerings

- Jotting down prices in Wal-Mart for comparison shopping purposes is against store policy! ( ! )

- Dictating unreasonable ordering guidelines ( we can return your books - in REALLY bad condition - without paying for it !)

- Paying suppliers extremely late

If even half the stuff in this book : Bill Quinn, "How Wal-Mart is Destroying America, and What You Can Do About It." is true, my decision to never shop or even step foot into a WalMart is completely justifed.

Sorry for the rant, but since I saw the 'Wal-Mart is great' post above, I thought it justifed a response in the name of clearing up any possible misconceptions. Granted: Wal-Mart is not ALONE in these policies - but they are guilty of more than most, and have perfected practices and paved the way for others!

That being said, you might think I'm firmly in the FLGS camp. Well, it's true that I do support 6 different games stores from Santa Cruz to Fremont/Palo Alto, but I love browsing the goods that I may be "on the fence about" ( or may not have known about ) and looking at minis before I buy. I do a fair amount of ordering from online sources too, including the ENWorld online RPG shop and FRP games ( They have a retail location near the San Jose/Santa Clara border too! ) among others.

Other random thoughts:

Shrinkwrap discourages buyers. ( Do you see the period? )

I'll special order from an LGS - IF I get a discount.

I learned to play from a game going on in an LGS ( '79 !) - Still a great way to get exposed to the hobby.

Bad lighting IS an American epidemic!
 
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Dragonblade said:
I don't expect the same discount that Amazon can give me. But I do expect them to ditch the plastic and the ignorant staff and pass the savings on to me.

I never said ignorant staff was acceptable. Anybody who sells anything should know enough about their merchandise to answer questions and help make selections.

Capitalism works because ultimately the cheapest or highest quality product wins out.

Actually, no, it doesn't. Capitalism works because markets naturally trend toward matchups of available goods to what people are willing to pay for those goods. Anything will sell if people perceive value worth the money they pay. Nobody thought Swatches were cheap or high quality...they sold because they had a cache developed through intense marketing and a popular sense of style.

Since the FLGS offers me no other real benefit, that 25% is usually just too important to pass up.

There is nothing wrong with your not valuing the other things an FLGS offers, but understand that other people do.

As a consumer this is not my problem. I don't like shrinkwrap because it reduces the value of the FLGS to me: the ability to browse and impulse buy. They can justify the need to shrinkwrap all they want. I will take my business elsewhere.

And I should be thankful? That they offer terrible service and high prices? I don't think so. They should be thanking me for still spending any money there at all.

Again, I never excused poor service. As for it not being your problem...well, it keeps you from comfortably browsing products in a convenient location. That sounds like a problem to me. Your criticism is too harsh. I also do not like shrinkwrap, but I understand why they do it. I see it as an unfortunate commentary on the thoughtlessness of people, not a personal affront.

The Japanese have a saying: "The customer is god," and I believe it applies here.

The American consumer is, in many cases, an undereducated, self-centered jerk. Contrary to popular belief, the customer is not always right, nor was that phrase ever intended to be taken literally. You have a right to take your business elsewhere if you don't like the offering. You have a right to express your opinion about why you don't like the offering. You should also make an effort to see that there are reasons for why the offering is the way it is, and not be so dismissive of the owners of the business.

Ah yes. Its the customer's fault that they charge high prices, discourage browsing, and offer poor service? I don't think so. If they go under it will be their fault and their fault alone.

It is partially the fault of the customer base that they discourage browsing and charge higher prices. As for whether or not they go under, if they can attract enough paying customers (whether that includes you personally or not), then they will succeed. If they can't, then that may be because of bad decisions they have made. Businesses go out of business for many reasons, though...bad business climate, lawsuits, illness or death of the sole proprieter, fires, etc. It is not as simple and clearcut as you would have it.

If they are worried about theft then they could put tags on the books and put up tag detectors at the entrances and exits. Borders, Barnes and Noble and the other chain stores do this. So do a lot of small boutiques at the mall so it can't be that expensive.

It is more expensive than you think, but I understand the technology is getting cheaper. Game Parlor in Chantilly, VA, does do that.

Again, the money they save off reducing theft, eliminating the plastic, and cutting the ignorant staff could be passed on to their customers. Then I would shop their more, their profits and volume would rise and it would be easier for them to afford the discounts that bring me and other customers in to the store.

Volume does not necessarily equal profits. If you cut your margin to attract more business by too much, you can end up with lower profits than before.

In any event, it sounds to me like the thing you dislike the most is the fact that the staff are ignorant, they treat you like a criminal instead of a customer, and they provide poor service. Bad staff is a serious problem, and I would agree with your criticism (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you don't fall into the undereducated, self-centered jerk category). If the service was friendly and excellent, but the prices were the same, would you shop there?
 

Glyfair said:
Actually, this is just "Between Books" (I'm assuming, all the description points to it). This is the combination shop I mentioned. It's big weakness is a lack of organization (very small space, a whole lot of product). Still, you won't find a more personable store owner. It's a shame someone decided to open a gaming store across the street to compete with him.
Sorry, showing my age, there. Greg finally got around to changing the name, I guess. Despite the sign, it was "Between the Books", originally and for years, after. His current location is much bigger than his original location. His clutter problem comes from not clearing old inventory: I used the bathroom last time I was there, and passed shrink-wrapped copies of some Star Ace modules. If you recognize the name of that RPG, then you'll understand the significance. :)

I used to live in Claymont, and was a weekly customer there from 91 to 95, I think. I still used to get my comics from there until 98, or so, I think.

Hadn't realized a game store had opened near him, other than that sports/magic card shop. I watched him weather the CCG burst-and-bust, the variant cover madness, and a lot more. He survives the way the best stores do...diversity. A lot of his strength comes from having such a diverse audience that shops from him. It's not every shop where you can get a book at electrical engineering, a meditation crystal and incense, some new comics, an anime DVD, an RPG book, some miniatures, a board game and some jewelry at the same time. And that may be why I supported him for so long, even when it was something of a hassle to do so.

He also was smart enough not to get involved in speculation, either the CCG or Comic variety (remember the Death of Superman? Foil Covers? Five variant covers? Endless Issue #1s?).

What he needs to do is enhance his online presence, so that he can sell a lot of that obscure back-stock.
 

Oy vey. Am I turning into The Man?

Much as I hate to be The Man, I gotta say:

The Man's Notes: Political discussion is not tolerated on this board. That means no discussions here about the merits of capitalism, the merits of China's government, the merits of Wal-Mart, or the lack of merits of any of the above.

If you can't discuss your FLGS without bringing these issues in, why, there are hundreds of other threads you can contribute to. If you persist in bringing these issues in, then you'll make me unhappy and you'll get the thread locked.

Clear?
Daniel
 

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