Why We Should Work With WotC

[Synthil]

I would argue that if someone pulls out a gun and holds it to your head, that very act is inflicting harm on you even before they pull the trigger. There's a reason mock executions are considered a form of torture.

And it was only a mock execution because it got leaked. Otherwise they would already have gone through with it. Attempted murder is still a crime.

 

[mamba]

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

if you are an animal, then there is no ethical consumption, period.

 

[mamba]

Except, they haven't actually done anything yet.

I like Monte Cook’s take. If someone points a gun at you, pulls the trigger, the gun jams and he then apologizes, do you trust that person ever again?

That is what WotC did, it just didn’t work the way they intended.

That is not what I consider ‘having done nothing yet’. It is not to their credit that they still ‘have to’ talk to us.

 

[Imaro]

I keep wondering... if the OGL 1.0a was a symbiotic relationship where WotC is benefiting (arguably more than they would from it not existing) just as much as those using it to create and publish professional works... then why not let them revoke it, since it would (by this logic) have business ramifications and repercussions that will be just as bad for WotC as for 3pp (again assuming both parties benefit equally from it)... right?

 

[Staffan]

And it was only a mock execution because it got leaked. Otherwise they would already have gone through with it. Attempted murder is till a crime.

 

[eyeheartawk]

if you are an animal, then there is no ethical consumption, period.

I don't know, he seems pretty cool.

 

[Staffan]

I keep wondering... if the OGL 1.0a was a symbiotic relationship where WotC is benefiting (arguably more than they would from it not existing) just as much as those using it to create and publish professional works... then why not let them revoke it, since it would (by this logic) have business ramifications and repercussions that will be just as bad for WotC as for 3pp (again assuming both parties benefit equally from it)... right?

Both Wizards and 3PPs benefit from the OGL 1.0, but I think it would be hard to argue 3PPs don't benefit more from it.

 

[Staffan]

I don't know, he seems pretty cool.

Ethics really isn't Animal's strong suit, though. He's pretty much pure id. Well, as much pure id as you can get away with on a show mainly aimed at kids (while still winking at the adults).

 

[Jer]

I keep wondering... if the OGL 1.0a was a symbiotic relationship where WotC is benefiting (arguably more than they would from it not existing) just as much as those using it to create and publish professional works... then why not let them revoke it, since it would (by this logic) have business ramifications and repercussions that will be just as bad for WotC as for 3pp (again assuming both parties benefit equally from it)... right?

Because Hasbro is large enough to absorb that damage and keep going while the smaller publishers are not.

Revoking the OGL will hurt them, even if they don't think it will. But probably not as much as it should.

 

[MarkB]

Except, they haven't actually done anything yet. They started to do something, we found out, shouted at them, and they stopped to reconsider. No license has been issued. No harm has been done yet.

Hasn't it? Companies are having to basically put projects on hold at the moment because they don't know whether they'll have an acceptable license under which to publish it by the time it's complete, and in the meantime any further time or money they sink into them could be wasted.

I can't imagine that this hasn't already had a financial impact.