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PF1E Will Paizo be the Good Guy? (humor)

DonTadow

First Post
Is it just me, or are there an absurd amount of us on here talking about how soon we'll leave our pathfinder games for 5e?

Isn't this the equivalent of going back to an abusive relationship, even after we lived with the really good guy who bought us a house and painted it the color we want. And then the ex comes back around smelling good and talking about it's changed and it got its job back and wants us to move back in. Well what about Me... I mean Pathfinder.

And if 5e is just a remarketed 4e, what would you expect from Pathfinder. To fix the mistakes again with another edition?
 
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ShinHakkaider

Adventurer
Is it just me, or are there an absurd amount of us on here talking about how soon we'll leave our pathfinder games for 5e?

Isn't this the equivalent of going back to an abusive relationship, even after we lived with the really good guy who bought us a house and painted it the color we want. And then the ex comes back around smelling good and talking about it's changed and it got its job back and wants us to move back in. Well what about Me... I mean Pathfinder.

And if 5e is just a remarketed 4e, what would ou expect from Pathfinder. To fix the mistakes again with another edition?

Being that this is EnWorld I'm not surprised at the fickleness and the desire to run back to the mothership at the slightest hint of hope.

Me? I'm staying with Pathfinder and I think over on the Paizo boards there are plenty of people who feel the same way as I do.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
Isn't this the equivalent of going back to an abusive relationship, even after we lived with the really good guy who bought us a house and painted it the color we want. And then the ex comes back around smelling good and talking about it's changed and it got its job back and wants us to move back in.

I'm betting I can talk D&D and Pathfinder into having a threesome.
 
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Tom Servo

First Post
When 4th Edition came out I was ready for a change. I'd played 3.0/3.5 for it's entire run and there were elements of the game I wasn't entirely happy with. I soon learned that 4th ed was not the game I was hoping for it so was back to 3.5 and then Pathfinder.

I love Pathfinder, but in the end it's still just a patched up version of 3.0/3.5. I think I've got system fatigue and I am ready for a change.

As a customer I would much rather support Paizo over WotC, but as a gamer I want to play the game closest to my tastes.

I am hoping for a lot out of 5th edition.

(I do play other systems, but D&D/PF has always been my groups go to system for long running campaigns.)
 



kitsune9

First Post
Being that this is EnWorld I'm not surprised at the fickleness and the desire to run back to the mothership at the slightest hint of hope.

Me? I'm staying with Pathfinder and I think over on the Paizo boards there are plenty of people who feel the same way as I do.

Yep, me too. Pathfinder is my game too unless 5e does something uberawesomefuntacular, but so far it's too early to make a judgment. Pretty happy where I'm at.
 


billd91

Hobbit on Quest
Oh, I'll check out 5e, particularly since the designers are being so nice about wooing me back. I'll play test it. But ditch my PF game for it? Way too early to tell. Paizo is just too in line with my gaming preferences right now to say I'm going back to anything WotC.
 

malkav666

First Post
My gaming group is not monogamous with the game systems we choose to support. If 5e comes out and it is removed enough from 4e and its good, then I see no reason why my group would not choose to support it with some of our gaming dollars. I don't really see us abandoning Paizo for the new shiny thing. I mean if the new shiny thing is awesome then yes it will get some of our attention. But we are perfectly willing to support multiple quality gaming systems simultaneously.

But I don't personally have a horse in the race. If 5e sucks or isn't really aimed at my group then we won't play it and we will be fine. I won't buy a repackaged or updated 4e, because I don't really care for most of the "innovations" it brought to the table. If they keep all the 4e stuff out of the core and make it so I can buy the game without having to deal with mechanics I don't like and put them in a splat for people that do like them, I can deal with that. But otherwise I will just keep doing what I am currently doing.

This whole edition launch is going to be kind of strange. D&D has never had to launch with such strong competition before. D&D seems to want to get back players that have lapsed to other systems. And they seem to want to directly compete for marketshare against those systems. I think in order to do that they are going to have to release a game that specifically targets the aims and goals of those other systems and does it as good or better in a way that keeps the feel of those systems in tact to have any real shot at regaining any of the lost revenue stream from those departed players, and that is kind of at odds with the current design paradigms of 4e dungeons and dragons. Essentially, they have a market that is fractured and all wants different things. At the time of the 5e release there will also be companies providing gamers who want different things than what 4e had to offer with current products. We saw it at the release of 4e that many people stayed with or switched to retroclones instead of jumping on the new edition cashboat. This time with 5e the retroclone market is in an even stronger position. So if WOTC really wants to get some of those oldschool players they kind of have to aim directly at them.

This makes me kind of sad for fans of 4e. There isn't really any 3pp market for 4e (when compared to 3e), there is no ogc, a lot of the best tools are proprietary and digital (and fully controlled by WOTC), and the nature of the edition makes it harder to clone legally. So if 5e doesn't really aim at them as well they really have no recourse at this time. And a game that aims at retro concepts and mechanics is kind of the opposite of what 4e brings to the table. You can see it in every topic about any aspect of the game that is in an older/RC edition but not in 4e or vice versa. The retroclone players want it like it is in the game they like and the 4e players want it like it is in 4e. And try as I may I have a hard time envisioning a game that gives everybody what they want.

So ill just keep watching and giving feedback that applies to me and mine. I don't really think anyone will end up being the good guy, but there is a very real chance we may end up some fans viewing someone as the bad guy. But we will just have to wait and see.

love,

malkav
 

Jeff Carlsen

Adventurer
Tom Servo has the basic idea.

During late 3.5, there was a fairly strong desire to see another edition that would clean up the faults that 3.5 had. It wasn't a universal desire, but it was there.

4E did that for some, but not for all. Which means that for the rest, it's been another 4 years of quietly desiring an improved D&D. Pathfinder is better, but one of it's major design goals was to stay compatible with all the 3.5 material, so it couldn't make any significant changes.

At the same time, the spit-polish that Pathfinder gives to 3.5 is good, and the constant flow of useful game material has created a lot of inertia to stick with it.

It's why I hope that 5E is either mind-blowingly amazing or terrible, so that I don't have to face the difficult decision of what to make my primary fantasy game.
 

Croesus

Adventurer
Isn't this the equivalent of going back to an abusive relationship, even after we lived with the really good guy who bought us a house and painted it the color we want. And then the ex comes back around smelling good and talking about it's changed and it got its job back and wants us to move back in. Well what about Me... I mean Pathfinder.

Umm, you do realize you're talking about a game, right? If 5E is fun, I'll play it. If it isn't, I won't.

Which RPG I play, much less which company makes and sells it, is not one of the most important things in my life.

edit: Just noticed the [humor] tag. I suspect I took your post more seriously than you meant it. Oops...
 
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DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
Well, considering the number of Pathfinder players who have kept showing up on the 4E boards the last three years to complain about the various parts of the game over, and over, and over again... and with all their disappointed hue and cry about not being able to "play D&D anymore" because 4E "doesn't feel like D&D to me"... it is not at all surprising that some of them are hoping against hope that 5E brings them back.

The desire to play a game entitled 'Dungeons & Dragons' has always appeared to be more important to a lot of people from what I've seen... than whatever the actual game is.
 

hanez

First Post
Well, considering the number of Pathfinder players who have kept showing up on the 4E boards the last three years to complain about the various parts of the game over, and over, and over again..
They weren't pathfinder players, they were D&D players. Its pretty clear that WOTC changed the essence of the game with 4e, Pathinder is just a 3.5 clone with some extra powers. Its not unusual for D&D players to want an update to their game without changing its very soul.
 

GMforPowergamers

First Post
Its not unusual for D&D players to want an update to their game without changing its very soul.

that is so funny, cause I see the soul of D&D being edtion free,


and I will take this anlagy a little farther: The girl who looks for bad boys will never be happy with the nice guy, and will go back to the jerk...

The D&D player who wants to play D&D isn't going to be happy with a retro clone, well there is a new edtion promising to be better... and pathfinder is nothing more then a retro clone.
 

BryonD

Hero
I'm hugely interested in 5E because it is an unknown with a ton of potential and it is fun to talk about.

Pathfinder is awesome. I'll leave it in a heartbeat. But only for better awesome. That bar is high. We will see.
 

TarionzCousin

Second Most Angelic Devil Ever
Paizo will still be an awesome, customer-focused company with a working game system, some great adventure paths, and a stellar reputation. I think they'll be fine.
 

Lord Mhoram

Adventurer
5e, Pathfinder. What's with all the titles. Why don't we just roll some dice and see what happens.

While I love game design, marketing in general, and RPGs in particular (as well as market trends and stuff like that)- and yes I find all that fun - so I am enthused about see what goes on with D&DNext, I don't get self identity tied into what game I play (D&D or other game systems).

The passion that is given to which particular rules you use to pretend to be an elf surprises me some days.
 


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