Will the real 4E please stand up?

[billd91]

Powers aside, 4e reminds me more of 2e and 1e than 3e, so you could argue that 3e is the ugly cousin that got invited to the party by mistake.

Well, not really. You could, but since 4e reminds me of 2e and 1e considerably less than 3e does, I could not.

 

[TerraDave]

This, this is just wrong:

Spellfire is "The Star Wars Christmas Special."

Now back to the topic, I almost agree with some of the above...but not quite:

The familly tree is pretty involved, with some twisting and remerging of the branches, but I will try to show it:

ODD->Basic->BECMI

ODD->ADD1->ADD2->3E->Pathfinder
------ADD1->Castles & Crusaders
------ADD1->Hackmaster
------ADD1->OGL Clones

------------------->3E->some other D20 games
------------------->3E->D20 Modern->Bunch of other D20 games

-------------BECMI____________
--------------------3E----------4E
----------------------Other d20-

You can probably guess which I think is the ultimate.

 

[Woas]

I think FATAL is the new 4e guys. Eh? Eh?

 

[Jack99]

Well, not really. You could, but since 4e reminds me of 2e and 1e considerably less than 3e does, I could not.

Yeah, well as I am sure you already know, my "you" was in the broadest possible sense, and not you specifically. Aside from that, I am not surprised that you disagree. I will also admit that 4e mechanically is very different (in some ways) from the older editions. However, I am talking more about the flow of the game, the way you play it, what is in focus.

Cheers

 

[Mercule]

Well...

OD&D begot Basic, which begot BECMI, which begot Castles & Crusades

OD&D also begot AD&D1e, which begot AD&D2e, which begot two sons, Hackmaster and D&D3e

D&D3e begot D&Dv3.5 which begot D&D4e and Pathfinder

(D&D3e also had many illicit affairs, and begot Trued20, d20 Modern, SAGA, and plenty of lesser derivatives)

So it depends on what version you start with, you can trace them all back to OD&D, but some are a lot closer on the genealogical tree than others.

Actually, I think 4e is more a child of 2e than of 3e. Both 3e and 4e strongly diverged from AD&D.

2e married Rolemaster and they begot 3e. But D&D started spending too much time at the office, 3e turned into a demanding brat, and they got a divorce with custody of 3e passing to Paizo and taking an adopted name. Then 2e married Exalted -- signing a prenup this time -- and they begot 4e.

Only time will tell whether this relationship will last.

 

[Eridanis]

As a general note: please keep it polite, folks. Thanks.

2e married Rolemaster and they begot 3e. But D&D started spending too much time at the office, 3e turned into a demanding brat, and they got a divorce with custody of 3e passing to Paizo and taking an adopted name. Then 2e married Exalted -- signing a prenup this time -- and they begot 4e.

I think you've been playing too much of TSR's All My Children boardgame lately. Step away from the table, son. Get some air.

 

[billd91]

Yeah, well as I am sure you already know, my "you" was in the broadest possible sense, and not you specifically. Aside from that, I am not surprised that you disagree. I will also admit that 4e mechanically is very different (in some ways) from the older editions. However, I am talking more about the flow of the game, the way you play it, what is in focus.

Cheers

It's not only mechanically different. A lot of the flavor of parts within it changed too and that's a substantial part of why I bump it over to cousin rather than direct descendant.

 

[Jack99]

It's not only mechanically different. A lot of the flavor of parts within it changed too and that's a substantial part of why I bump it over to cousin rather than direct descendant.

I know. And I completely understand and respect that point of view. I am just saying, that I (and some others), see things differently.

Cheers

 

[JRRNeiklot]

There is no successor. First, you'd have to kick 1e's ass off the throne. That's gonna be hard. He has save or dies, the rest don't.

 

[Remathilis]

There is no successor. First, you'd have to kick 1e's ass off the throne. That's gonna be hard. He has save or dies, the rest don't.

IIRC, 2e and 3e have SoD's as well. 2e also has old-school level drain and partiach vampires than could withstand the sun. Come get some.