Magus Coeruleus said:But consider this: If a fighter is made invisible and manages to sneak up undetected on idle, unsuspecting Mr. Doofus outside of combat, he gets no automatic CDG because Mr. Doofus is not helpless.]
Hypersmurf said:Having said that, I loathe that FAQ response with a passion, and wish it had never been written.
Nowhere in the Core Rules does it say that flanking is contingent upon the awareness of the attacker. And it opens up weird cans of worms.
For example, if you have an invisible attacker pinpointed via a touch attack, Listen check, Spot check, or Scent, he still can't provide flanking for his ally.
That's insane.
-Hyp.