Winning Races: Half-Elves

[Klaus]

Throw and Stab is ranged attack, not a melee attack. So no.



It's a daggermaster. So they are using two daggers. Twin Strike is far superior to anything else that can be dilettante. I'll refer you back to Istar's original question, since you seem to have missed it.



Brutal rogue will have good strength, so using twin strike in melee at the end of a charge is not a problem.



Doesn't work. Five Storms is not a melee attack.

A brutal rogue daggermaster still can only deal Sneak Attack once per round. So you're looking at Str vs. AC (x2) and 1d4+Str Mod. (x2). Unless he keeps Str equal to Dex, it's not a great deal of damage, and the hit chance is reduced. Granted, he ought to have some solid extra static, like a +3 weapon (or even better, a +3 Paired Dagger) and +2 feat, so that ought to compensate things a bit.

 

[Obryn]

A brutal rogue daggermaster still can only deal Sneak Attack once per round. So you're looking at Str vs. AC (x2) and 1d4+Str Mod. (x2). Unless he keeps Str equal to Dex, it's not a great deal of damage, and the hit chance is reduced. Granted, he ought to have some solid extra static, like a +3 weapon (or even better, a +3 Paired Dagger) and +2 feat, so that ought to compensate things a bit.

Yep, but (1) There's a much better chance of hitting with Twin Strike, and (2) There's a much better chance of critting with Twin Strike.

Those crits are nasty with Sneak Attack damage! And when you're able to do all of that after a charge, with the attendant +1 to attack...

-O

 

[Klaus]

Yeah, I forgot that the (at his level) 3d6 (or 3d8 + Str mod) sneak attack will be maximized on a crit!

 

[Marshall]

The author suggested over at Char Ops that the Beast form feat needs to be specified as an implement only attack.



Though Sorcerers already have some a pair of area at-will powers, being able to take Wizard, Artificer or Swordmage at-wills and put them to CHA is pretty strong. Especially the Wizard ... because the second part of the feat is that you now count as a member of the class for feat, paragon path and epic destiny requirements. Which means a Half-Elf Sorcerer can take something like Scorching Burst, switch it to CHA, and then take the Enlarge Spell feat, granting him massive bursts with massive damage.

That miss continuously(unless you wield a staff)...besides Sorcerers already have Resounding Thunder, a much better feat.

The one feat missing here is the one that allows a SOR to use any implement he is proficient with for his Dilettante power. THAT would be a useful feat.

 

[jbear]

Yes, i think these feats will be promptly dealt to. Somehow it has been missed how these feats interact with versatile master. Using the Dilettante power with these added 'bonus features' you have invested feats into seems totally fine... but seriously problematic when you gain At Will access to them.

Care has been taken with the Multi Class system and the Hybrid System that the secondary class and Hybrid Class do not outshine the pure class. Here the Half Elf can take a class as a hobby and eventually outshine them and still be a pro at whatever else they do (if not more so with the third at will power). It's totally out of line with the rest of 4e philosophy, so I'd say we won't have to wait long til it's put there.

 

[nogray]

Fixed in Compilation

These feats now seem to have a "once per encounter" rider. Effortless and Holy both did, at any rate. (Effortless also mentioned "against one creature," I think.)

Wild Dilettante also has a prerequisite that you must have chosen an implement power as your dilettante power, solving the weapon-while-in-beast-form issue nicely.

 

[Obryn]

Yeah, lots of improvements in the compilation.

In addition to the above, Adept Dilettante now counts as a class-specific feat for the class from which the Dilettante power was chosen. So, you don't get access to more classes with it.

whew.

-O

 

[Istar]

Yeah, lots of improvements in the compilation.

In addition to the above, Adept Dilettante now counts as a class-specific feat for the class from which the Dilettante power was chosen. So, you don't get access to more classes with it.

whew.

-O

What does fixed in compilation mean, the mag 365 is out, and now it has been changed ?

How do you find the correct rules ?

 

[Klaus]

What does fixed in compilation mean, the mag 365 is out, and now it has been changed ?

How do you find the correct rules ?

At the end of each month the individual articles are compiled into a single PDF file of the entire issue. These compilations have the most up-to-date information.

 

[TarionzCousin]

Half-Elves sound like they're worth playing now. Are they no longer at the bottom of the racial food chain?

"So the last shall be first and the first shall be last."