The limit on magic item value is in the XP cost. In addition to the base 5000 XP the wish itself costs, you have to pay twice the XP cost for creating the item. So if you wished for a +5 vorpal sword, it would cost you 21,000 XP (8,000 x2 for the sword, +5,000).Infiniti2000 said:
wishing for a permanent skill modifier
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Primitive Screwhead
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To me, much depends on how the wish is worded, and "I wish for swimming ability" violates my HR of using gaming terms in wishes. My response would be "Poof, you have the abliity to swim...{check character sheet....} Yup, right there, you have ranks in the Swim skill...."
Of course, I am a First Class RBDM when it comes to wishes.
However, if the wish was couched properly {ie, no game terms, no '...and...', once spoken sentence..} something along the lines of "I wish I could swim like a mermaid can." I would grant the character a Swim speed of thier move +10 and reduce thier land based move by -10 as they grow fins/flippers on thier legs.
The other wishes for skills also depend on how they are termed. I beleive a properly worded wish should be fulfilled exactly as wished...meaning that if you can find a way to wish a +40 to a skill without refering to "+40 to a skill"![:]](http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png "Devious :]")
Whimsical's suggestion is one I would definately follow if I happened to knew what the 'swim' spell does.. after all, my version of the wish will replicate the lowest level spell that fits the wording of the wish.
Of course, I am a First Class RBDM when it comes to wishes.
However, if the wish was couched properly {ie, no game terms, no '...and...', once spoken sentence..} something along the lines of "I wish I could swim like a mermaid can." I would grant the character a Swim speed of thier move +10 and reduce thier land based move by -10 as they grow fins/flippers on thier legs.
The other wishes for skills also depend on how they are termed. I beleive a properly worded wish should be fulfilled exactly as wished...meaning that if you can find a way to wish a +40 to a skill without refering to "+40 to a skill"
Whimsical's suggestion is one I would definately follow if I happened to knew what the 'swim' spell does.. after all, my version of the wish will replicate the lowest level spell that fits the wording of the wish.
pawsplay
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"I wish to immediately and perpetually after gain an inherent increase in my ability to tumble as a general skill to the greatest extent this wish spell can grant without incurring any pain, suffering, disabilities or other tradeoffs other than the expenditure of this particular wish."
So, how much bonus is that?
So, how much bonus is that?
Primitive Screwhead
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pawsplay said:
Very nicely worded wish...remind me to never let you in a game where I offer them
I used 'strikeout' to highlight the words that are extraneous...
Three options:
- One, key in on just the intent for an inherent bonus as shown by the game term struck out above, and grant an inherent bonus to Dex per the rules of the Wish spell..a +1. Advantage is you get to use it for all Dex based. Disadvangtage is this doesn't really fit what the wish is asking for and probably wouldn't be the route I take.
- Two, key in on inherent and skill facets, provide a +5 inherent bonus to tumble. As with the RAW for inherent ability boosts, you could stack up to 5 wishes in immediate succession to increase this to a total of an inherent +25. As you body is being magically manipulated to be better at this one thing, your physical appearance would reflect this to a degree. No mechanical disadvatages would be incurred..as stated in the wish.. but some social impacts and a higher cost for fitted equipment may occasionally show up. These would not be trade-offs or disabilities.. they are simply the practicality of having a body hyper-evolved for a specific task...mainly RP in nature.
- Three, key in on just the increase of the Tumble skill.. run it as using 2 spells: Permanancy (a 10 MP effect) and EoM Infuse: Air at 6 MP {16MP is equivilent to an 8th level spell}, granting a +21 to Tumble. This effect can be affected by anti-magic, dispelled and counts as an active enhancement towards the EoMs rules for having no more than 12 enhancements or items {EoMs limitation as opposed to using slots}
Side note: I use alt-tumble of result of check = AC. Opponent gets +10 to thier attack if you are tumbling through thier square..attack must also beat your normal AC to deal damage.
This wish would allow you to do accelerated tumbles through an enemies square relatively easily...but still not guarenteed.
Other side note: A pure EoM Infuse: Air for 16MP would grants a +52 to Tumble for one minute...
Talk about a tumbing fool!Last side note: Yes, a 17th level EoM caster could permanance the +52 bonus, but I am mixing Core and EoM
Of those three options, my preference is #2.. it adds an interesting RP opportunity, fulfills the wish as spoken, and gives a decent advantage that is not a 'always win'.
Jack Simth
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Available XP - it costs you the 5,000 xp for the Wish, plus twice the normal crafting XP of the item in question - so that +5 Cloak of Resistence (25k, market) will cost you the 5,000 xp for the wish itself, plus 2*25,000/25=2,000 xp for a total of 7,000 xp. That +5 Vorpal Sword (market price 200,000 gp + the cost of the sword) will run you 5,000 xp (wish) + 2*200,000/25 (enchantments) = 21,000 xp.Question said:
As for standard "don't hurt me" clauses for Wish.......
I wish that without anything I'd currently consider bad happening if I knew about it's full ramifications X would happen.
where X is what you specifically want.
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Primitive Screwhead
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...and if the full ramifications of 'X' could be considered bad?
Jack Simth
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It's a "don't hurt me" clause, not a "do what I mean" clause. Still permits wasted wishes.Primitive Screwhead said:...and if the full ramifications of 'X' could be considered bad?
Besides, that's why the use of the personal interpertation of what the full ramifications being bad - if I'm playing a Good character, I know my wish won't hurt anyone who doesn't need it. If I'm playing an Evil character, I know my wish won't hurt me or anyone I'd rather not see hurt.
Blood Jester
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Primitive Screwhead said:
This confuses me.
"swimming ability" is as non-meta-gaming a phrase as you can have in this context.
It does not mention skill ranks, or skills at all.
What do you expect to hear? Knowing/using the word "swimming" or the word "ability" is certainly not a use of gaming terms.
I really don't see what is "meta" about this request?
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