catsclaw227
First Post
Almost immediately after joining for Castle Shadowcrag, I inquired about Steam and Brass. I really wanted that one too, and it is one of the driving forces for my push for City-State of Zobeck.Monkey King said:
Wolfgang Baur's Open Design #3 down to Ghouls vs. City-State
- Thread starter Glyfair
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Olaf the Stout
Legend
Whizbang Dustyboots said:I'm still a little confused on how Project #3 patrons can get their grubby mitts (I really should go wash my hands) on Castle Shadowcrag.
I'm pretty sure that all you need to do to get access to it is PayPal him the $25 and let him know that the payment is for Castle Shadowcrag.
Olaf the Stout
Monkey King
Explorer
Man-thing said:
Yes, it's taking longer than I expected, but I should have an announcement for members shortly.
As a patron of the first adventure, Steam & Brass, I can tell you that the paradigm for the first project was an artwork commissioned by a group of patrons for our private, personal use. It was understood that the work would never be sold to the public or made available to anyone other than the commissioning patrons.
The ability to join as a patron was actually held open long past the date when the commission was met, right up the through the date of publication. The idea was that late joiners would fund more art or maps or editing and would add to the work in progress. But after the publishing date, patronage for Steam & Brass was closed.
I remember posting in a thread here on ENWorld that the deadline was approaching and people still had time to join. A few opted in at the last minute. Ample warning was given.
Back over on the Open Design site, when it was clear how cool Steam & Brass was turning out, I and some other patrons felt extremely thrilled and proud of the project and wanted to let Wolfgang sell Steam & Brass to the public or do whatever he wanted with it. We wanted people to be able to enjoy it, for it to have a wider audience.
I think the majority of patrons felt this way. We took a vote to allow Wolfgang to make Steam & Brass available beyond the exclusive circle of the patrons who commissioned the work. Due to the nature of the original agreement it had to be unanimous. It was tantamount to us all waiving our right to exclusivity.. But there were some patrons who did not want to alter the original agreement. So Steam & Brass remains forever a private work for the enjoyment of the original patrons only.
Wolfgang has since altered the terms of the commission agreement so that subsequent projects can be made available to future patrons, which I support wholeheartedly.
As a patron I had several reasons for joining. 1) to get a cool, unique adventure. 2) to participate in the process, and 3) to support Wolfgang in realizing his vision and to help bring something wonderful into the world. I got my adventure. I enjoyed very much participating in the process, and Wolfgang got to create a unique work of art. So it was a grand success for me.
I would love for people to be able to see how cool Steam & Brass is, although, I must confess that part of me feels a secret schadenfreude that I got in on the ground floor and get to enjoy an adventure that no one else will see beyond our initial group of patrons.
But the 2nd project, Shadowcrag will be available to future patrons, and it is totally awesome! So maybe that is a little extra added incentive to join for project 3 and project 4 and beyond. With a growing library of past projects available to future patrons, maybe that bonus will help ensure that the patron model of Open Design will prove robust and allow us to commission Wolfgang to write many more amazing projects to come!
The ability to join as a patron was actually held open long past the date when the commission was met, right up the through the date of publication. The idea was that late joiners would fund more art or maps or editing and would add to the work in progress. But after the publishing date, patronage for Steam & Brass was closed.
I remember posting in a thread here on ENWorld that the deadline was approaching and people still had time to join. A few opted in at the last minute. Ample warning was given.
Back over on the Open Design site, when it was clear how cool Steam & Brass was turning out, I and some other patrons felt extremely thrilled and proud of the project and wanted to let Wolfgang sell Steam & Brass to the public or do whatever he wanted with it. We wanted people to be able to enjoy it, for it to have a wider audience.
I think the majority of patrons felt this way. We took a vote to allow Wolfgang to make Steam & Brass available beyond the exclusive circle of the patrons who commissioned the work. Due to the nature of the original agreement it had to be unanimous. It was tantamount to us all waiving our right to exclusivity.. But there were some patrons who did not want to alter the original agreement. So Steam & Brass remains forever a private work for the enjoyment of the original patrons only.
Wolfgang has since altered the terms of the commission agreement so that subsequent projects can be made available to future patrons, which I support wholeheartedly.
As a patron I had several reasons for joining. 1) to get a cool, unique adventure. 2) to participate in the process, and 3) to support Wolfgang in realizing his vision and to help bring something wonderful into the world. I got my adventure. I enjoyed very much participating in the process, and Wolfgang got to create a unique work of art. So it was a grand success for me.
I would love for people to be able to see how cool Steam & Brass is, although, I must confess that part of me feels a secret schadenfreude that I got in on the ground floor and get to enjoy an adventure that no one else will see beyond our initial group of patrons.
But the 2nd project, Shadowcrag will be available to future patrons, and it is totally awesome! So maybe that is a little extra added incentive to join for project 3 and project 4 and beyond. With a growing library of past projects available to future patrons, maybe that bonus will help ensure that the patron model of Open Design will prove robust and allow us to commission Wolfgang to write many more amazing projects to come!
catsclaw227
First Post
I have an interesting question.
Will future products be available for purchase by PAST patrons? i.e. will the reverse hold true?
Will future products be available for purchase by PAST patrons? i.e. will the reverse hold true?
Glyfair
Explorer
catsclaw227 said:
The issue was how the first project was set up. Look at the original announcement.
So, those who were patrons of the first project were promised "an exclusive project" and that "only contributors will get a copy of the adventure."
Yes, that was part of the draw (but far from the only draw). If you were one of those who decided you weren't willing to put money into something sight unseen, you weren't going to get a chance later (note that the minimum buy-in for the first project was only $5).
After the second project was announced a lot of people interested in it asked about the availability of Steam & Brass. Apparently Wolfgang considered his above statements to apply to patrons of any project, while they certainly appear to be exclusive to that project (especially the "only contributors will get a copy of the adventure" line). So, he put the ability for that project to be open to patrons of later projects open to a vote. As several patrons did not want it open, Wolfgang stated it would be kept close because he was "unclear."
With the obvious interest in access to later projects, the project description has changed so that patrons of any project will have access to later projects (although Wolfgang has stated that the number of copies sold would still be "very limited," whatever that means).
Baron Opal said:
Actually, you choose to become a patron for the third project, not a specific one. You pay to join project #3. If you only want to join "Empire of Ghouls" you are better off waiting until the voting is done before joining, but you don't get a significant vote towards the project. Also, you are risking no project getting off the ground if the minimums aren't met (a very real prospect this time).
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Monkey King
Explorer
catsclaw227 said:
The short answer is "No".
Past patrons know about the work and have lots of opportunities to donate if they like. Access to Open Design materials ends when a particular project ends.
Empire of the Ghouls won!
Open Design Project # 3 will be Empire of the Ghouls.
Wolfgang is still accepting patrons until March 31st. After that, no new members will be accepted for Project #3.
Empire of the Ghouls looks to be shaping already into an awesome project. If you are interested in joining, check out this link:
http://customadventure.livejournal.com/84390.html
Open Design Project # 3 will be Empire of the Ghouls.
Wolfgang is still accepting patrons until March 31st. After that, no new members will be accepted for Project #3.
Empire of the Ghouls looks to be shaping already into an awesome project. If you are interested in joining, check out this link:
http://customadventure.livejournal.com/84390.html
