woohoo, go white sox!

Bront said:
(One guy here still swears it did bounce after seeing the replay).
It never hits the ground - he catches it in the webbing and it rolls up into the trap.

It's not whether the catcher "bobbles the ball" or not - it's gotta hit the ground and that never happened.

Think about it this way: Josh Paul is an experienced major-league catcher. If there was any question in his mind, he'd tag out AJ and that would be that. We've all seen it thousands of times. It wasn't like he needed to try to "trick" the ump to get the call, like pulling the glove into the strike zone for a pitch off the corner.

And as far as everyone in the field was concerned, they saw Eddings ring him up. Inning over.
 

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Don't talk to me, I think it was caught. It's some other guy who was watching it from over my shoulder. I understand exactly what the call was, why it was made, and how it was wrong.
 

Bront said:
Don't talk to me, I think it was caught. It's some other guy who was watching it from over my shoulder. I understand exactly what the call was, why it was made, and how it was wrong.
I was hoping you might pass it along to the other guy... ;)
 

The Shaman said:
I was hoping you might pass it along to the other guy... ;)
I already tried. He thinks he saw the ball hit the ground before it entered his mit. The replay isn't easy to watch from here, not big and can't rewind it (Thank you ESPN)
 

wow, looks like i missed the circus!

we needed the win, but i wish the circumstances had been less questionable.
 


well, i mean i wish it hadn't happened that way. if the sox win the ALCS now, there will be a lot of complaints about unfairness and such and people saying "they didn't really win, the umpires gave them that game." now, of course, if the sox win the next three (fair and square, that is), a lot of that talk will be cut down, but i can still imagine hearing complaints for a good long time if the sox get the ALCS.
 

Thoughts on the game (mostly from the White Sox side):

Pitching: Buerhle is a machine, an absolute monster. Totally deserved player of the game, as far as I'm concerned. Five hits, pitch after pitch with little down time, even caught an infield fly to end an inning. Solid pitches all night, never looked like he was flagging, said he was ready to go out for a tenth if necessary. He looked like he was ready, ready for the game, ready to throw each pitch, ready to make the plays he needed to make. Awesome!

Fielding: OK. Props to Iguchi for covering second really well throughout (and for much better throws than in game 1), pulling down flies soundly and surely, reading the runners, and executing the double plays when necessary. Uribe also had a great recovery from that ball he didn't exactly grab, but managed to trap with his body, then zing it over to first from his knees. Nice job.

Hitting: Huh? Where were the bats, guys?

Base Running: :confused: :eek: Ouch. Painful. Granted, third base coach did give Rowand the go-ahead on the one where he got thrown out at home, but the last couple of games have looked like the guys have lead in their legs, or something.

And it's the combination of hitting/running that's really killin' me. Bases loaded in the 5th, and Dye can't convert? Not even one run! And that's been the tone, even later in a few innings with one runner on, and we can't even advance! :mad:

Officiating: F minus. Sucked all around. Not even counting the weirdness in the 9th (I'll get to that in a minute), I think the Sox got screwed on Crede getting tagged out at 2nd base, and then there were a couple of lousy pitch calls on Everett and Konerko later for outs.

Then there was the bottom of the 9th. I'm as happy as anybody that the Sox won, and I want them to win, but that whole thing at the end was lousy, and it was lousy on both sides. Pierzynski capitalized on a really weird moment, and I like to see the players looking out for opportunities. Still, there was too much indecision in the wake of the call, too much confusion that the umps should have put their heads together on and come to a more definitive decision (I know, there was a definitive decision, but it just felt so ambiguous). However, I do think Paul should have tagged A.J., just to be sure. Obviously, Paul felt like it wasn't even an issue, so why make the effort. I can't call on that one, but I think he should have touched him. Of course, A.J. did start to walk off. Anyway, the whole thing seems lousy from every angle.

Nuttiness aside, I didn't have as much fun watching the game. Aside from Buerhle, who came to play, it didn't feel like the rest of the team was, I don't know, on, ready to go, gunning for it, or something. The opening innings felt charged up, but along the way it didn't feel like the momentum was there. However, I know very little about baseball, so I'm sure there's a ton I'm not seeing on this one. And I'm probably just sour about them not being able to drive in even one run (!) with bases loaded.

Guys, it doesn't get easier from here. We need to convert runners on base to runs scored!

Gotta buy more beer tonight. I drank all that I had in the fridge (it wasn't much) on last night's game.

Warrior Poet
 

Warrior Poet said:
Then there was the bottom of the 9th. I'm as happy as anybody that the Sox won, and I want them to win, but that whole thing at the end was lousy, and it was lousy on both sides. Pierzynski capitalized on a really weird moment, and I like to see the players looking out for opportunities. Still, there was too much indecision in the wake of the call, too much confusion that the umps should have put their heads together on and come to a more definitive decision (I know, there was a definitive decision, but it just felt so ambiguous). However, I do think Paul should have tagged A.J., just to be sure. Obviously, Paul felt like it wasn't even an issue, so why make the effort. I can't call on that one, but I think he should have touched him. Of course, A.J. did start to walk off. Anyway, the whole thing seems lousy from every angle.
I used to think Jason Varitek was a little obsessive about applying the tag after 3rd strike, even when he didn't drop the ball, but now I really understand why he does it.

No doubt the umpires screwed the call, the fact that the plate umpire called him out right after the strike call, but then reversed himself when the batter ran is not a good thing. He should have kept to the "out" call, brought in the 3rd base umpire right away to ask him if he thought the ball was in the dirt or a clean catch.

Still, Sox fans should take the win and accept that this is all part of the game.

Oh, and I think you have to give some credit to Washburn for pitching as well as he did after his illness. Great pitching all around last night.
 

Thornir Alekeg said:
Still, Sox fans should take the win and accept that this is all part of the game.
Oh, indeed, no question. As Crothian said, "human error has always been part of the game." Hey, they won, and I'm happy about that!

Thornir Alekeg said:
Oh, and I think you have to give some credit to Washburn for pitching as well as he did after his illness. Great pitching all around last night.
I think Washburn did well, considering his illness, and the relief that Ana-, uh, Cali-, uh, the Angels brought in really held together well, too (especially their closing pitcher, who I admired for his skill, even as I resoundingly cursed his skill :p ).

Still. Buerhle. The whole game. Yes! :cool:

Warrior Poet
 

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