Word of Mearls: Official Player races will not get Oversized Weapons. Forked Thread

[Milambus]

" Hi I'm a bugbear and I'm a PC" ( Holds up small axe)

" Hi I'm a bugbear and I'm a Mac" (Holds up oversized axe)

So are you saying that PCs have more Power(s) and are more durable(more healing surges)? While Macs are designed to give a PC something to beat up on?

Maybe we should just stick to edition wars here, and not get into the whole PC/Mac thing

 

[garyh]

I really, really don't like stripping powers from MM races. And I don't think the minotaur in Dragon got enough in return to really make him on par with the PHB races. A charge power? Meh. Fits thematically, but not particularly impressive.

Total nerf. And that's coming from someone who hates nerf-related whining.

Warforged got a lot out of their Dragon article. Gnolls got a bit. Minotaurs got the shaft.

Full Disclosure - My Living 4th Edition character is a rapier-wielding bugbear brutal rogue.

L4WC:Hravoth Kortaga (garyh) - ENWiki

 

[Starbuck_II]

*Applause*

Twinked out MM-race PCs everywhere (and by that, I mean bugbears and minotaurs) cry, and DMs rejoice. I may not actually despise Goliaths in PHBII.

Good show.

But Oversized weapons fit the Goliath (he had in 3.5). I'm ignoring the change myself.
Keep the over sized where they are.

 

[Larrin]

Of course its a nerf...oversized weapon was deemed too powerful, you can't replace something thats too powerful with something of equal power. Whatever they get to replace oversized weapons can't hope to live up to it, and thats the goal. "How does it line up with other races?" thats the new question, and the answer should be 'low to medium rank.' (IMO) Why? Because its not a 'core' race, the awesomest PC races shouldn't be 'hidden' in dragons magazine or the back of the MM.

 

[amysrevenge]

I betcha that Goliaths still get oversized weapons, but at the cost of any other good racial ability.

 

[Larrin]

Given Mr. Mearls rather blatant "NO PC RACE EVER!" statement in the original post, i suspect that that is a very bad bet.

 

[keterys]

Warforged got a lot out of their Dragon article. Gnolls got a bit. Minotaurs got the shaft.

Are you claiming, then, that the version of the minotaur is completely horrible compared to the PHB races?

Because it doesn't seem too bad on quick skim to me. I'd consider playing one, but I'd also consider other races.

Whereas if you added Oversized Weapons, seems to me that it would be too good, especially for things like the executioners axe.

 

[garyh]

Are you claiming, then, that the version of the minotaur is completely horrible compared to the PHB races?

Because it doesn't seem too bad on quick skim to me. I'd consider playing one, but I'd also consider other races.

Whereas if you added Oversized Weapons, seems to me that it would be too good, especially for things like the executioners axe.

I wound't say "completely horrible," but it does stink that, for the minotaur, the race's big article in Dragon serves mostly to remove their coolest feature, while warforged and gnolls got big bags of goodies.

I like warforged a lot, way more than minotaurs, so that article was much more to my liking.

 

[keterys]

Sure, but that doesn't mean minotaur is bad. If anything, it implies maybe warforged are bad (too powerful after the article), or just that the flavor isn't agreeable to you.

Now, when they get to bugbear I certainly hope they do more than just remove oversized weapon and call it a day because the race really lacks much otherwise.

 

[amysrevenge]

Given Mr. Mearls rather blatant "NO PC RACE EVER!" statement in the original post, i suspect that that is a very bad bet.

We'll see.