Word origins: Baatezu and Tanar'ri?

[Malin Genie]

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.......one for each Sephiroth.

actually, 'Sephirah' ("oth" is the plural form in Hebrew.)

Similarly, one Qlippah, two Qlippoth (the "Q" being a transliteration of the letter Qof, an unvoiced aspirated guttural also rendered as "Kh"or even "K", which leads me to suggest.....)

Paladin, maybe you could market evil skullcaps under the trade-name "Klippah"?

 

[JoeGKushner]

Are you sure it didn't say they were Tartars, or of Tartary? That's the name Eastern Europeans gave to the mongols, believing they were from Tartarus (ie. they were demons).

I believe that you are correct but the spelling was a tad different.

 

[BOZ]

anyone read spanish? http://www.baatezu.com/

 

[heirodule]

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Baal, meaning master, was indeed a Canaanite god, but not considered a devil until much later. At the time he was worshipped, when all religions were almost-exclusively tied to peoplehood/clan, he was just someone that the Bible said not to worship beucase doing so meant defection from the comunity to join an enemy people that they were actively at war with.

Well, that gets things in reverse order, and bypasses the issue that they were at war with the Canaanites because Yahweh was offended by the Canaanites offering worship to Baal, when Yahweh was the sole creator God of the universe.

All religions were tied to clan, but Israel's "clan God" was defined as the creator God (monotheism). While other clans could accept the clan gods of other clans, that wasn't really an option when you are monotheistic.

Good catch BTW, on the nonsense of claiming that monotheism is religiouly intolerant, since the only alternative by definition is to NOT be monotheistic. We can harldly have religious toleration only extended to polytheists, can we?

 

[Gez]

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Good catch BTW, on the nonsense of claiming that monotheism is religiouly intolerant, since the only alternative by definition is to NOT be monotheistic. We can harldly have religious toleration only extended to polytheists, can we?

It depends. Different monotheistic religions may be seen as a different way of worshipping the same god (the point of view of tolerant Jews, Christians and Muslims), and most polytheistic religions may be fit into a mono- religion's mold by considering each god of the poly- is an aspect of the One God, or are servants/angels of said One God. It's a common topic on these boards, how do you use the cleric class in a European-inspired setting (frequent answer being "use saints rather than deities").

If you look at polytheistic religions, they usually "allows" a monotheistic view on them. Take hinduism, for example -- the pantheon features thousands of deities, but they are all aspects of the greatest among them.

Real world myths may be interpreted in lots of ways (that's why you have, by the way, orthodoxs, catholics, lutherians, calvinists, anglicans, and a hundred others just among Christians).

In D&D, that's harder. Start claiming that Vecna is just Wee-Jas' morbid aspect, and you may get an angry god lich hurling curses at you.

 

[Chronosome]

Chrono hopes this thread doesn't get too religious...

 

[BOZ]

take it to nutkinland!

 

[BryonD]

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In D&D, that's harder. Start claiming that Vecna is just Wee-Jas' morbid aspect, and you may get an angry god lich hurling curses at you.

trying to push things back on topic.......

Wouldn't it be cool to have a campaign based on the idea that a world was just learning that its entire pantheon turned out to be a single all-power diety with a really bad personality disorder.....

 

[frankthedm]

In the works of Lovecraft, Yuggoth is a planet; Pluto, actually. It's home to a race of fungoid crustaceans that do weird and sadistic experiments on humans. That might be the origin of yugoloth, but somehow, I'm sceptical.

Demiurge out.

Actualy Yuggoth was just thier outpost in this neck of space, They hailed from a lot farther out.

Read more here: http://www.gizmology.net/lovecraft/works/whisperer.htm. And for a real kick try to imagine prof. Steve Hawking reading it to you in that artificial voice box tone.