WorldOfDarkness.com Closing Down?

White Wolf has had a terrible year. As a result, they're issuing apologies, recalling books, changing the management, being absorbed into parent company Paradox, advertising for a new Brand Manager, and now... it looks like they're closing down WorldOfDarkness.com.



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The message below went out to subscribers of White Wolf's online book reader service. Thanks to Distant Shore for the scoop!



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Russ Morrissey

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First of all. Thank you very much. Never thought I would be mentioned on a En World article.
Regarding the news, I can only say to be really sad to receive the news the day before the site closure.
May be Paradox could show a little more consideration toward the World of Darkness fans.


This is the only answer I received from Paradox till now: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NZYVKqHg233iUbJ28
 
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TrippyHippy

Adventurer
I recieved my email notice about my subscription cancellation, and subsequent refund (for the back catalogue library) this morning too.

It isn't a surprise - this is what White Wolf being dissolved means. The Onyx Path will continue, with their own business and licences. Not sure what they'll do with with the V5 license while they tailor the content to their own fanbase - but it's there anyway.

For me, however, Helmgast's Kult: Divinity Lost now becomes the default flagbearer for the 'modern horror, aimed at mature audiences' schtick. The new edition is incredible, but considering the hullabaloo with White Wolf this year, I'm hoping it remains a more low key release within the wider RPG community, notwithstanding it's own censorship issues before it's release.
 

Jester David

Adventurer
It’s going to be a long, hard road for the game to recover from this year.
Last year V5 was the most anticipated RPG of the year. And now the game is struggling to get its planned releases out, let alone move forward.
 

TrippyHippy

Adventurer
It’s going to be a long, hard road for the game to recover from this year.
Last year V5 was the most anticipated RPG of the year. And now the game is struggling to get its planned releases out, let alone move forward.
Flatly, it's not going to recover. The Onyx Path may get a few more supplements out for it, probably via Kickstarter, but don't expect too many records to be broken.
 

Jester David

Adventurer
Flatly, it's not going to recover. The Onyx Path may get a few more supplements out for it, probably via Kickstarter, but don't expect too many records to be broken.
It'd be interesting to see if VtM even made it onto the ICv2 charts for this past summer. But apparently that site has decided that info is subscription-only this year.
 

TrippyHippy

Adventurer
It'd be interesting to see if VtM even made it onto the ICv2 charts for this past summer. But apparently that site has decided that info is subscription-only this year.
My gut feeling, for all the talk of opprobrium, was that the bottom line for White Wolf was it just didn't sell enough to meet it's targets. I think the core buy in price may have been too high.
 
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White Wolf's Facebook page has not posted anything since mid-November when all the apologizing and stuff happened.

White Wolf's Twitter has stayed active, though.

Storyteller's Vault is still going strong too.

In fact, just a day or two ago on Reddit, the folks in charge of the Vault held an AMA and one of the questions asked was when V5 would get added. The official answer was just sometime late in 2019, after more books have been released, but they are expecting it to happen.

Interesting side note from the AMA, they are using the beta-test experiment with DMsGuild for PoD to see if it will also work with the Vault.
 

TrippyHippy

Adventurer
Get Woke
Go Broke
This being another mantra quoted ad nauseum online, currently.

The complaints themselves were that the game wasn't "woke" enough, by the way.

I'd say that the politicised attacks on both sides made it fairly untenable to build a succesful market for the game. As I say, I think the bottom line was more in the lack of sales, possibly because of more mundane factors (like pricing, etc). However, the continual opprobrium in the fanbase - the "Edgelord vs SJW" wars - was offputting to say the least.

If there is one silver lining to the sad demise of White Wolf in 2018, it's that at least there is no reason to bother interacting on the matter any more.
 
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Jer

Adventurer
This is the only answer I received from Paradox till now: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NZYVKqHg233iUbJ28
Wow - that's some response:

TheDistantSh0re said:
I would like to ask: is http://worldofdarkness.com really no more? The site will really be shut down tomorrow?
Correct - at least in its current form. We hope that the (poorly) run services there will be run better in the future through other places.
I had a free subscription via the Vampire Humble Bundle the other month and I have not been impressed with the interface - it was hard to browse through books, the reader essentially was serving up static page images - I don't think I would have been able to use it to actually run a game. I certainly wouldn't have paid for a subscription after my essentially free trial was done.

This response calling that out suggests to me that there was far more going wrong at WW from Paradox's POV than just the Vampire v5 stumbles, and that perhaps those were just the visible straw that broke the camel's back...
 
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Outstanding. Now they can have a future without being tainted by some of the hateful ugliness that was holding the game back. I only wish it happened sooner, but better late than never.
 

WyleType

Visitor
Get Woke
Go Broke
Yeah, 5e has really been struggling ever since they started pandering with their "trans acceptance in the core rules" and their "gay characters in their adventure books", and all that multiculturalism everywhere. Unlike World of Darkness, those guys smartly defied the oversensitive politically correct masses, and now they're reaping the rewards, earning both acclaim and monetary riches for their trouble.
 

Akodoken

Explorer
Yep, Modiphius just announced they are the stewards for VtM 5E and listed the books they will be releasing during 2019. All in all, it looks like VtM will do fine even with the shake ups at Paradox.
 
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