Worst RPG System You Ever Palyed?

[GVDammerung]

My hands down choice would be - Hunter Planet. The only RPG I have ever _thrown_ away. Maybe you have to be Australian. I sure didn't "get it."

 

[BiggusGeekus]

has anyone noticed how these threads resemble threads on religion and politics?

Well, except that RPGs are a lot more important than religion and politics.

 

[Ourph]

But I have never made any disparaging remarks about people who do not like C&C.

I believe that would be a matter of opinion, one which Jackelope King and his DM might disagree with.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

That paraphrase is your own creative (i.e. incorrect) interpretation of what I said.

You certain about that?

“Lots of other GMs do *not* have the problems you describe with C&C. So no, your poor experience is *not* the result of some kind of ‘fundamental problem’ with the game itself.”

Let me explain: if there was a ‘fundamental problem’ with the rule that *caused* ‘bad GM’ing’, then, quite simply, other GMs would have the same problem with the rules.

Since they don’t, the original claim is patently false.

This is simply not true. And, again, your point boils down to:

1. Lots of other DMs have an opinion that the game doesn't lead to bad DMing.
2. Therefore, there's no flaw.

The problem, of course, is that all you've established is that, if there *is* a flaw, then the DMs you routinely talk to who aren't complaining about it either: 1) are immune to the flaw, or 2) recognize the flaw and avoid it (even, perhaps, subconciously).

You have failed to demonstrate the non-existence of the flaw - which, since you so often bring up your training in Logic, you should have realized before you even started posting rebuttals.

You have no basis to speak about the feelings of those who haven't posted on whatever other board you're pulling your data from, and certainly no basis to speak about objective reality.

It is simple logic – not opinion.

Based on opinions.

Basic familiarity with the normal conventions of the English language should make it clear that I am giving some qualified (‘probably’) advice (‘should’) here – not making an factual claim.

On the other hand, one could just as reasonably assume that you were presenting a moral rule ("should").

 

[Jackelope King]

I believe that would be a matter of opinion, one which Jackelope King and his DM might disagree with.

I'm certainly not happy with the way my group, my GM and myself has been told that we don't understand the game, that we're ill-suited to play it, and that we just don't get it. I haven't told my GM about this thread, and luckily he's not a big internet guy, so I don't need to worry about him stumbling onto this thread and finding out that some guy who has no idea who he is has decided that since he didn't like running C&C, he is a "bad GM".

However, I don't consider his opinion to be worth all that much anyway (since mine is apparently similarly worthless to him). I'm glad Akrasia enjoys the game and I'm glad he's found a place to voice his support of the game, but I wish he'd allow me the same courtesy to express my dislike of the game.

 

[Akrasia]

Patryn, the original poster claimed that the game itself was so deeply flawed that it caused bad GM'ing. This is a very strong claim to make -- and thus one easily refuted. Indeed, the mere fact that many GMs find the game in question to be conducive to good GM'ing is sufficient to refute it. (And yes, since I know many other GMs of C&C from this board and others, it is perfectly legitimate for me to use their experiences with the system in rebutting the original claim.)

It is as simple as that. If the original poster had said that the game rules did not work well with his group (as he eventually did), then I would have had no argument with him.

Also, with respect to another one of your comments, there are many kinds of normative claims (i.e. 'should' claims) -- not all are moral. (E.g. "If one wants to make money on the stock market, one should buy low and sell high" is not a moral claim, but a normative one.)

Anyway, I've contributed enough to the derailing of this thread. Time to stop my procrastination!

Cheers!

 

[Pielorinho]

When a moderator makes a suggestion that people stop arguing about their favorite system, please:
1) Stop arguing about your favorite system; and
2) Stop arguing about other folks' favorite systems.

This thread reminds me of a song. Fortunately, I got one hand on the brakes.

SCREEEEECH!
Daniel