Worst RPG System You Ever Palyed?

[Templeton580]

Aftermath! and Skyrealms of Jorune had utterly crappy systems, but the other info was great.

Aftermath!, for example, has an entire book dedicated to creating your own PA setting. I'm currently using it to create one.

Jorune was the most amazingly creative setting, with awesome artwork and a cultural depth you don't often find in RPGs. Unfortunately, the system was completely unplayable, and the books gave little or no direction as to what kinds of adventures were out there to be had.

 

[Kanegrundar]

No, Kane, Akrasia's right. There's no compliment there. It's funny because Akrasia, a card-carrying member of the C&C Crusade / Inquisition, Akrasia was taking someone to task for voicing "opinion as fact."

Oops! My bad then.

Kane

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Oops! My bad then.

Kane

That's ok; I forgive you!

 

[Desdichado]

Well, I've mostly stayed away from systems that I could tell easily were bad. So the worst I've ever played probably aren't very bad by most gamers' standards.

That said, I'd probably put AD&D or MERP up as the worst I played. AD&D because it didn't make much sense, was unnecessarily convoluted and restrictive, and forced the D&Disms of the game too strongly for my taste. It actively drove me away from D&D, if not completely from RPGs at all, for years. MERP not because it was such a horrible system (I think it was mediocre at worst) but because it was such a mismatch from the source material.

 

[Akrasia]

No, Kane, Akrasia's right.

Ahhh … so you were trolling. Thanks for clearing that up!

…. It's funny because Akrasia, a card-carrying member of the C&C Crusade / Inquisition …

Thanks for your attempt at an ad hominem attack.

I like C&C (plus WFRP, True 20, Unisystem, and many other games). But I have never made any disparaging remarks about people who do not like C&C.

You'll notice that Akrasia's rebutting the claim that there's an objective flaw in the rules by pointing out that some people don't have that problem. In other words, "You are presenting your opinion that there's a flaw in the rules as objective fact. This is simply not true; no flaw in the rules exists, and my basis is the opinions of other people."

Yeah, it's more than a little hypocritical.

That paraphrase is your own creative (i.e. incorrect) interpretation of what I said.

I direct you to what I in fact said:

“Lots of other GMs do *not* have the problems you describe with C&C. So no, your poor experience is *not* the result of some kind of ‘fundamental problem’ with the game itself.”

Let me explain: if there was a ‘fundamental problem’ with the rule that *caused* ‘bad GM’ing’, then, quite simply, other GMs would have the same problem with the rules.

Since they don’t, the original claim is patently false.

It is simple logic – not opinion.

Opinion presented as fact without a clear IMHO tag!

Rubbish.

Please note that what I actually said included the remark: “probably should not post…”

Basic familiarity with the normal conventions of the English language should make it clear that I am giving some qualified (‘probably’) advice (‘should’) here – not making an factual claim.

But please, continue your trolling and ad hominem attacks.

They’re quite amusing!

 

[Templeton580]

I thought this was a thread, but apparently it's a throwdown.

 

[Desdichado]

I thought this was a thread, but apparently it's a throwdown.

That's not unusual for a thread in which C&C is mentioned and Akrasia posts. It's kinda funny that he notes that C&C is a frequent topic of argument on these boards, without noting that he's the common element in most of those arguments.

No offense, Akr... I'm just sayin'...

 

[DungeonmasterCal]

Worst RPG ever? I think we've been observing that the last few posts.

Can we just move on, please?

 

[Akrasia]

I thought this was a thread, but apparently it's a throwdown.

Apparently 'Akrasia' is the worst RPG system that a few people have played.

(I don't understand why Patryn and Quasqueton felt the need to make attacks on me here -- maybe they're just bitter about something.)

 

[Akrasia]

That's not unusual for a thread in which C&C is mentioned and Akrasia posts. It's kinda funny that he notes that C&C is a frequent topic of argument on these boards, without noting that he's the common element in most of those arguments.

No offense, Akr... I'm just sayin'...

No offense taken. But I make no apologies for defending C&C against unwarranted attacks and criticisms.

I don't mind if people simply do not like the game, or make legitimate complaints against it (it is not perfect, and I have problems with certain aspects of it myself). But a lot of the attacks that have been made in the past against C&C have often rested on false assumptions, or have been expressions of opinion masquerading as fact.

When others have made incorrect claims about 3e or d20 on these boards, they have been criticized -- and rightly so. I don't see why C&C should be denied the same respect.

I would defend other games I know and like as well -- e.g. WFRP, True 20, Angel/Buffy -- with just as much effort. But those systems tend not to attract as much attention here.