WotC acknowledges 4th Edition Not for Everyone?

I wouldn't read too much into it. I think they're acknowledging that they've got a fairly generic product but can't find the intestinal fortitude to advertise something as being suitable for RPGs other than D&D. That's my take on it. They still can't market a product as being truly generic. It's always got to be "D&D this" and "D&D that".
 

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--Today, Wizards of the Coast announces a new product line of mechanical pencils bearing the D&D logo. A company spokesman stated "these will be ideal for all RPGs, really."

Dave: OMG! Hasbro is going to buy GURPS!
 

THIS JUST IN: DIFFERENT PEOPLE ENJOY DIFFERENT GAMES!

THIS ALSO JUST IN: SELLING A PRODUCT TO MORE PEOPLE GETS YOU MORE MONEY!


Really, I can't think of a response other than "Yeah, so?" And the 4.5 conspiracy theory is hilarious. :)

-O
 


The statement was "terrain is terrain". But the tiles are not terrain, but more than a game board. Just one that happens to be modular.

Take one of those people that made Drow Outpost, or some of those other maps in 3D and there you have some terrain.

2D isn't terrain to a player. The green blob may suppose to be a bush or tree, but you have to ask. Terrain would be something that tells you right away even if it is a Lego tree. It needs depth beyond the tiles flat images to be terrain.

The tiles are good visual aids, but not quite terrain. Those fold-up models WotC has archived somewhere are good examples of terrain.

Now, if you have a pull-out tap like a pop-up book on the tiles to pop up the trees or something I will call them more akin to terrain. ;)

Otherwise, they are just a modular map that indicate what terrain would exist in 3D just like a surveyors map, but without the contour lines.
Are you using the "This is not a pipe" argument or do you honestly think that people who use tiles are unable to determine what represents a tree?

MagrittePipe.jpg
 

I think the idea that WoTC would think, or even just try to imply, that they have 100% of D&D players converted to 4e is strange...

I'm sure they know full well that there are gamers out there who play D&D but aren't switching, or just haven't switched yet. Those people still have gaming dollars, and WoTC wants those dollars.

So if they have a product that can be used by anyone... Well they can put a little blurb on there at very little cost in an attempt to get those dollars.

DOLLARS!
 

You know, I thought we were getting silly when the hundredth "Well, I know it's been six months, but here are the things I dislike about 4e. You may recognize them from every other topic, ever" thread came around and reached 20 pages. Again.

But this? This is a whole new level of slap-myself-in-the-head, punch-myself-in-the-crotch silly.

Kudos.
 

THIS JUST IN: DIFFERENT PEOPLE ENJOY DIFFERENT GAMES!

THIS ALSO JUST IN: SELLING A PRODUCT TO MORE PEOPLE GETS YOU MORE MONEY!


Really, I can't think of a response other than "Yeah, so?" And the 4.5 conspiracy theory is hilarious. :)

-O
Please, no Crinoismns! They hurt my ears eyes!
 

On a 2nd edition product referring to 1st edition?
I remember some Spelljammer products referring to the stuff from Oriental Adventures - notably a "ki helm" whose speed was based on class and level, listing a number of OA classes. There were probably some 2e FR books/boxes referring to 1e books as well.

But there was a whole lot more continuity between 1e and 2e than with 2e to 3e and then 3e to 4e. For example, the FR sourcebook series started with FR1 Waterdeep and the North in '87, and switched over to 2e with FR7, 8, or 9 (I can't check 7 or 8, but they were released the same year as 2e - FR9 The Bloodstone Lands has the 2e logo on it, anyway), and kept going until FR16 The Shining South. They didn't even release an updated FR box set until 1993 - until then, you were expected to get the 1987 box and the Forgotten Realms Adventures hardback updating things.
 

Are you using the "This is not a pipe" argument or do you honestly think that people who use tiles are unable to determine what represents a tree?

A picture of a pipe is not a pipe. A picture of a tree, is not a tree.

Try playing any 3d game and tell me line of sight with a 2d surface.

How do I know if I can see through your tree or not as a flat 2d image.

Look there is a window on that building draw on the tile. Which characters can see through it at eye level.

This is what separates tiles from terrain.

Do you think companies that make terrain sell flat 2d images?

Terrain is 3d. Pictures are 2d.

Tiles are not terrain. They may be pictures of terrain features, but they are not terrain.

Put your artist rendering of your landscape on your lawn and tell me how good it looks there versus planting the trees and shrubbery.

If there is anyone that thinks of these tiles as terrain, I would love to know so I don't play games with those people.
 

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