WotC has a milking machine now (Draconomicon I)

Teh funny
Cadfan said:
DUDE! Now we need crossbred dragon hybrids. Iron Dragon + Yu Lung Dragon = Iron Lung Dragon....
If I had been drinking something when I came across this post it would have escaped out my nostrils. :lol: You win. Thread over.
 

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Stormtalon said:
This is your fault, Cadfan, I hope you're proud of yourself! But far be it from me to not pile on whilst the piling is good....

Wang Chung Dragon

Per-encounter: Strobe Attack. Cha vs. Will Defense. The dragon's features seem to flicker rapidly, causing seizures in all who view it. Ongoing: Stunned, save to break free.

Hmm too bad it couldn't be a Long Wang Dragon....

Anyway, thanks to the Germans for the enlightenment about your way of life, it does explain a lot ;)

Cheers,
 


Steely Dan said:
…No more Complete Gnome Cobbler Handbooks for my ass.
This always gets me. In 2E, gnomes didn't even have a single Complete book dedicated to them - they had to share with halflings. I realize it's hyperbole, but c'mon.
 

Stormtalon said:
This is your fault, Cadfan, I hope you're proud of yourself! But far be it from me to not pile on whilst the piling is good....

Wang Chung Dragon

Per-encounter: Strobe Attack. Cha vs. Will Defense. The dragon's features seem to flicker rapidly, causing seizures in all who view it. Ongoing: Stunned, save to break free.
It's a nocturnal creature whose breath weapon causes every target to have fun if they fail their save.
 


If the Draconomicon is split so that each book released is truly unique then there won't be a problem I agree. Fiend Folio I&II are good examples of that put to good work. If every dragon is different than each other that will be wonderful, especially if the book goes into depth about each dragon's ecology and putting it to effect. However if they are not, then we are looking at rehash already as the portions which are the same have to be reexplained in subsequent books as it relates to each new dragon. That is what I am worried about in this sudden chain of books poised by all the sudden titles with a number one behind it.

I've speculated that PHBII will probably be a compilation of classes and races presented in miscellaneous books through out the previous years, i.e. Drow have been cited as getting their first full detailed play ability in the FR campaign book. They would make a logical inclusion in PHBII for those who didn't want to buy the FR book and want a more in depth view of the race than provided in the MMI, assuming they are included in it.

During the years of 2nd ed I averaged $50 a month on books, buying just about everything. I dread even thinking of trying to calculate what it would cost these days. If my speculation is correct and PHBII, DMGII, MMII and their sequels are collections of all the best stuff of the coming year that makes them very desirable to me who no longer wants nor can afford to buy every book released. I've long since sworn off buying every book, I just don't want to see the game evolve into a necessity to do so, unless you want to be a completest or have the money to waste. I would like to see WotC keep that in mind when deciding on these books as well as keep in mind not everyone can afford to buy so many books. Granted most players are college age but the game needs to be kept with in a reasonable expense range to allow younger players as well as college students to be able to afford them.

With the recent title announcements it's almost as if the logic they are taking is, "Well title X sold well, perhaps we should do sequels to it every year." It's true that the Spell Compendium did well but do we need one every year? Same with the announced Treasure book. Some of the titles popping up are books which came around after two or three years of material being around, if not longer, consolidating everything into one book covering the given subject making it convenient if not comprehensible. The books being announce so soon seem like they are deliberately holding stuff back from the books they would normally put them in, i.e. DMG or other source books, or possibly not making everything available in their entirety. Lending to the possible thinking of "why put a complete list of treasure into the DMG when we can put out a whole book on treasure." I'm being fictitious here with my speculation so don't taken anything too serious, but this is how these titles are lending themselves to my interpretation based on titles and discussions from WotC employees concerning future releases of PHBII, DMGII, and other books with a different numeral behind it. Just the pessimist in me coming out; I don't trust them. :p
 

I think this was a mistake. One of the best parts of the Draconomicon 3.5 was that it really felt all-encompassing. That made the book viable for all levels and environments. Plus, it had an excellent balance of game data and flavor material. Limiting this project to 5 different dragons (assuming there aren't more in 4E) seems damaging to the project.
 

Surely the solution is to tell WotC how you feel by not buying books you feel are merely cash-ins/incomplete/whatever?

I mean, I did this in 3.XE, and 4E came two years earlier than expected, so maybe it worked! It's not like you can't find out what's in them/read them at the store, is it? The danger, I guess, is that WotC run their RPG division into the ground producing shoddy "numeral" books, but hey, if that's what happens, that's what happens.
 

Another speculation from my part, I think it will be the same philosophy as in the PHB and supplements (splat books). You will now have splat book for MM. Every MM will be linked to a Draconomicon. Because there weren't enough space for their whole development. Maybe you'll have Libris Mortis for MM2 (and shadow power source defined in the PHB2 and Shadow Power book). This is endless and never ending possibilities! You'll now have monsters that will have roles, powers, etc to counter the players roles and powers. There will be tons of minis and maps and fantastic locations. Starter kits and booster packs!!! Ok, maybe I'm pushing it to the limit but, I agree with you: WotC goal is to make money.
 
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