WotC setting search winner - Eberron

[drnuncheon]

I never claimed that there were cell phones etc - I was using a reductio ad absurdum to show my point.

I suppose that depends on what your point is. If you're trying to make a point about fantasy settings in general, fine - but then again, this discussion is about Eberron in specific, and whether it has a higher than medieval level of technology. Since we've seen no indications of anything you mention besides the lightning rail, considering the rest of them as an argument is rather worthless, isn't it?

And since I've told people on here and on other fora where to go to see the piccies, the reports etc, so say that I haven't looked at them myself is a little stupid, isn't it?

You're obviously not looking at the same ones I am. Where's that 'train' caption again?

Why should I be defensive about Harn?

I have no idea, you'd have to tell me. It's just something I've noticed in more than one Harn fan.

J

 

[Dave Blewer]

Eberron looks pretty interesting to me...

If I may take this moment to share my particular success story...

My setting proposal Sundered Skies is going to be published
By Pinnacle!

It's not going to be D20, I am writing it for the sublime Savage Worlds , a system that suits my particular playing style much better.

I didn't write Sundered Skies up specifically for the setting search, but until I bought Savage Worlds, it was D20.

The Skies got a lot of support on this forum for which I am very grateful.

Thanks!

 

[Maggan]

Hamburgers? They serve hamburgers? They suck!

Considering how much of the comment has been very negative, I'm not sure about that being a good thing, the phrase about all publicity etc noywithstanding. Let's face it, if you opened up a restaurant and on the opening night got massive reviews everywhere aying how crap it was, you wouldn't be saying how great your PR is, would you?

Nick the Lemming

Yeah, but at this time the restaurant hasn't opened yet, has it? It's getting some negative and some positive reponses based on a second hand source claiming they serve hamburgers, and a brochure showing some of the flashy interior.

Which evidently included hamburgers, which means that the restaurant serves bad food, if I am to follow the logic?

So, I think the restaurant has nothing to fear from this, because they can easily explain that hamburgers by themselves does not constitute evidence of a bad cuisine (which seems to be the case here). And most people will find this approach reasonable, which will make it easier to feed out more PR, due to name recognition.

Back to Ebarron.

If the setting, when it is released, receives nothing but bad PR, and reviews that claim it stinks, and is the anti-lord of fantasy because of the inclusion of hi-tech magic items, then it's gonna be difficult for it to shake it.

But opening night is a year from now, so I wouldn't be too worked up if I was WotC. If I was Keith Baker I would be worked up and feel unjustly treated by some online posters, but WotC... nah! Hopefully they've learned a bit from handling the 3rd edition rollout, and the 3.5e rollout... hopefully.

Cheers!

M.

 

[Maggan]

FR and Greyhawk

Well I think Eberron is split into two groups, the love it or the hate it camps. Not a lot in between! Me, I'll stick to my boring and predictible FR and Greyhawk's pseudo Medieval feel. Because to me that is what DnD is. Eberron is not what I think of as DnD. Perhaps people would have been more warm to it if it didn't have the DnD label?

Possibly, and if they had come out saying "this will replace FR and GH" I would have questioned their sanity, so far I'm with you on the D&D feel of the setting.

But like Staffan pointed out, we will have FR, GH and Eberron, at the same time. So now those who think FR and GH is D&D can play that, and those that think those settings are boring and are looking for something more... different, need not leave the path of WotC to get their gaming fun.

Even though top notch settings are produced by other companies, I think it's nice that WotC supplies something that is not FR or GH for those that don't buy 3rd party stuff/d20. Which as far as I've heard is the overwhelming majority. Sadly enough, cause there are so much good stuff out there that's not WotC.

Cheers

M.

 

[AdamBank]

If you reach the moon in a carriage borne aloft by mighty eagles, if your wizards summon spirits that perform their arcane calculations for them, if you fly in mighty galleons borne aloft by powerful spells, if the evil wizard contacts his henchmen through images in crystal spheres...

I'd play your game in a minute!

 

[Maraxle]

Re: Hamburgers? They serve hamburgers? They suck!

If I was Keith Baker I would be worked up and feel unjustly treated by some online posters, but WotC... nah!

If I were Keith Baker, I'd be happy that I got $100k regardless of whether the setting sells or not...

 

[Aitch Eye]

Keep your chin up Keith. Don't let the b*****ds get you down. He who laughs last...

I'll second (or, really, third) this. I'm sure Mr. Baker is willing to answer criticisms of his setting, but it must be frustrating to not be able to counter criticisms of other people's versions of his setting because he can't release information. I still can't work out what he's done to deserve rudeness, outrage, snide dismissal, and lies about his family connections either. Some of the criticisms of WotC have stepped way over the line as well.

If Mr. Baker happens to read this thread (and manages to keep going this far), I just want to let him know that the snippets we've seen have got me really looking forward to seeing the full setting, and that I wish him the best of luck with this.

 

[Emiricol]

Re: Damn that lame PR!

Yeah, to bad that that lame PR has only generated seven pages of comment in this thread, two in another, a lot of (offensive and aggressive, unfortunately) chatter on GamingReport and at least one four pager on RPG.net.

My mind reels at thought of the effect good PR would have!

Cheers!

M.

Yeah, me too.

 

[mythusmage]

I like The World Builder's Guidebook. If there turns out to be a close genetic relationship between Rich and Keith Baker I can only account it a good thing. (Genius running in families and all that.)

 

[Emiricol]

You're presuming that the ratio of costs between real-world trains and real-world ships is the same or similar as the one between the lightning rail and the flying ship. What if it's more akin to trains vs airplanes? Then, the flying ship is faster but more expensive, and the heavy cargo is more likely to go by land.

J

I could see that, too, where the flying ships take the role of planes. It just seems that a ship can carry more than the train, but is slower, but again that's comparing it to the real world ship n train.