Would this work? Half-elf Dilletente question

[SeprenMaelstrom]

For future use, I am building a half-elf Bard [the Cunning variety] at level 3. I wanted to take an at-will from another class that would benefit from my bard's ability scores. With that in mind, I chose the Sorcerer power Dragonfrost as it runs off of Charisma, pushes incoming enemies away 1 square, and deals cold damage.

Now, given that the Half-elf is acquiring this power through Dilletente, does the other part of the ability apply? If I have this encounter-use power, can I also use it as a ranged basic attack like the power states? I feel like it's most likely not, else it would supersede the intentions of the at-will-to-encounter power switch of Dilletente; at the same time... I cannot find clear rulings for this kind of situation.

Is this moot to begin with, though? Bards and Sorcerers use different implements to start with [although, from the Arcane Power book, I did choose Arcane Implement Proficiency], but if I were to use say a dagger and my feat, would I be fine to use the Sorc power? Could I use it without having the specific Sorc implement and just not get the enhancement bonuses? Any help / advice appreciated!

 

[Sound of Azure]

Dragonfrost is fine for a half-elf to take with dilettante, and all parts of the power apply. So you now have an encounter power that works as a ranged basic attack.

You can use implement powers with any implement you are proficient in, be it staff, dagger, rod, ki focus, a weapon, or even no implement at all (provided you don't care about enhancenment or feat bonuses).

 

[Saagael]

First off, good choice of a half-elf bard, that's a very good combo.

Second, gaining the power means you gain the power in it's entirety, albeit as an encounter power. So yes, it does count as a ranged basic attack. You only can use it 1/encounter though.

Thirdly, I believe there was errata at some point that made it so that using other powers from another class did not require training in that class's implements. So you can use your bard implements for a sorcerer attack. This is especially handy with multiclassing power swap feats. Here it should save you a feat.

So to sum up, since it uses Charisma and is an implement attack, it will have the exact same attack bonus as your other implement attacks, and its usable as a ranged basic attack once per encounter.

 

[SeprenMaelstrom]

Thanks for the info, all! Glad to know this will be workable.

Now, with Arcane Implement Proficiency, I can treat longswords as implements (borrowing such from the Swordmage), right? That way I will not need to acquire a songblade to use my sword as an implement? If possible I'd like to do this, and forsake the wand for a light shield. Would you find this a wise idea, or would it be better to perhaps save this for a later point? I like the flavour idea of having whistling swords when he first appears, but if it isn't a good idea I can put it off or forget it.

 

[Saagael]

Thanks for the info, all! Glad to know this will be workable.

Now, with Arcane Implement Proficiency, I can treat longswords as implements (borrowing such from the Swordmage), right? That way I will not need to acquire a songblade to use my sword as an implement? If possible I'd like to do this, and forsake the wand for a light shield. Would you find this a wise idea, or would it be better to perhaps save this for a later point? I like the flavour idea of having whistling swords when he first appears, but if it isn't a good idea I can put it off or forget it.

You're precisely right, you can take the Implement Proficiency to use longswords as implements without having it be a songblade.

The other option for this is to instead of the Proficiency feat, take a swordmage multiclass feat that lets you use swords as implements. Either way, the end result is the same, you're just picking your feat based on fluff and your character concept.

 

[Someone]

Now that we're talking about half elves, I think I found another combo that I don't know if it's legal or not.

It consists of taking as your dilettante power one of the skald's at wills (they are classified as bard attacks) that enhance your basic attacks. They benefits allies in your skald's aura, which you can get through the Master of Stories feat. Then you get as your main class one which does a lot of basic attacks, like slayer, scout or even better, elementalist (since elementalists can make a lot of basic attacks with elemental bolt and escalation)

The Master of Stories feat was errataed so you can use the healing part once per day, though I'm prety sure you can activate the aura as many times you want. Am I wrong?

 

[Saagael]

Now that we're talking about half elves, I think I found another combo that I don't know if it's legal or not.

It consists of taking as your dilettante power one of the skald's at wills (they are classified as bard attacks) that enhance your basic attacks. They benefits allies in your skald's aura, which you can get through the Master of Stories feat. Then you get as your main class one which does a lot of basic attacks, like slayer, scout or even better, elementalist (since elementalists can make a lot of basic attacks with elemental bolt and escalation)

The Master of Stories feat was errataed so you can use the healing part once per day, though I'm prety sure you can activate the aura as many times you want. Am I wrong?

At first glance that looks legitimate to me, and its a pretty clever way to get an encounter-long buff. That said, I don't think its overpowered, just really clever.